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Radonislav

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The Chief spoke ;)
I see, what's interesting is that what people claimed as bullsh1t at the time as "Yıldırım-1, 2, 3, 4" seems to be correct in a sense that it was a plan laid out by TAF to acquire capability. Yıldırım-1 is Yıldırım J-600T, Yıldırım-2 is Bora, Yıldırım-3, or maybe Yıldırım-2a is Tayfun, and Yıldırım-3 or 4 is Cenk, which kinda aligns with the rumours
 

sequ

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I see, what's interesting is that what people claimed as bullsh1t at the time as "Yıldırım-1, 2, 3, 4" seems to be correct in a sense that it was a plan laid out by TAF to acquire capability. Yıldırım-1 is Yıldırım J-600T, Yıldırım-2 is Bora, Yıldırım-3, or maybe Yıldırım-2a is Tayfun, and Yıldırım-3 or 4 is Cenk, which kinda aligns with the rumours
Indeed but it took far too long to reach this capability...

Didn't he once got angry when the Iranians tested their Sejil missile whereupon he asked the CoS the range of their missiles? It was back in 2007 IIRC.
 

Radonislav

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I dont like this aircraft carrier project either. Quite pointless i think. How is a carrier going to help in the Mediterranean or the Red Sea? Larger Anadolu/Trakya type LHDs capable of deploying Kizilelma/TB-3 and UUVs make much more sense.

I have seen people defend this by comparing it to the KAAN 5th generation fighter but I dont think that is a valid argument either. For one, you will be building hundreds of these aircraft. You will only ever build 1 maybe 2 carriers. That conventional carrier is not worth the investment a project of this sort would consume.
This whole Aircraft Carrier thing makes sense when you look at Turkish experience in Libya and current expedition in Somalia
 

sequ

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Just a hypothesis:

- China reluctant to provide J-20 to the PAF
- PAF joins MMU and manages to negotiate design modification rights because US doesn't allow F110 export
- Asks WS-10C from China, China offers it because of WS-15 coming online
- TAI, PAC and AVIC team up to integrate WS-10C into MMU
- PAF gets MMU with WS-10C earlier than TAF gets its mass produced MMU

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Again, it's just a hypothesis.
The hypothesis became rumor.
 
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