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Atomicfrog

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A twin AI-322F KE will probably have the same size as Kaan. Plenty of room.
But without enough electrical power production it doesn't help to have a bigger radome. But a passive system with a big sensor area could be a thing, probably less power hungry and would be something new to be developed.
 
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sequ

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But without enough electrical power production it doesn't help to have a bigger radome. But using passive system using a big sensor area could be a thing, probably less power hungry and would be a something new to be developed.
If they manage to get 240kW power generation from 2x38k lbf engines on Kaan, they can manage to generate 58 kW from 2x9.3k lbf

Murad-100 is at the 4.5kW range. A 2x larger aperture increases radar range by ~68% while 2x power increases range by only ~19%.

Meaning plenty of room to generate power for a twin engine KE.

Downside is low max speed and no supercruising capability.

They could turn it into a fast interceptor in its current size by changing the engine to a medium thrust engine. At 4.5 tons empty weight, it will have a comparable TWR as the P-42 record breaker!
 
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sequ

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A barebones record-breaking KE-B fitted with an EJ200 with 1000kg of fuel weighing 5130kg and a wingloading of 137kg/m2 will take-off in I bet less than 70m! I wonder how fast it can reach the various altitudes. Compare that to the P-42 which took off in roughly 100m:


Come on Selcuk, I know you are reading this...;)
 
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sequ

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Hypothetical size difference between KE-B and KE-C by enlargement of 40%


Length: 20.58m
Span width: 14m
Wing Area: 76m2
Empty Weight: ~8500kg
Wingload at empty weight: 112kg/m2
Endurance: 2.5 times that of similar sized twin engine heavyweight 5th generation supercruise capable fighters. (4x less thrust+20% better fuel consumption but with half the internal fuel load).


Kizilelma-C size.png
 
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sequ

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Wow, thats a full J-20

How come empty weight is realtively small? A flanker/J-20 with similar dimesion is 13000kg empty weight
Composites, and lots of it.

Kizilelma is basically an aluminum skeleton wrapped in fiberglass(-like) material. It has half the weight of similar sized manned fighters.
 

Radonislav

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If they manage to get 240kW power generation from 2x38k lbf engines on Kaan, they can manage to generate 58 kW from 2x9.3k lbf

Murad-100 is at the 4.5kW range. A 2x larger aperture increases radar range by ~68% while 2x power increases range by only ~19%.

Meaning plenty of room to generate power for a twin engine KE.

Downside is low max speed and no supercruising capability.

They could turn it into a fast interceptor in its current size by changing the engine to a medium thrust engine. At 4.5 tons empty weight, it will have a comparable TWR as the P-42 record breaker!
Kaan's current prototype has 2x120kVA. I wonder of we would see a change (increase) in this when it enters production


Also Kızılelma-B's MTOW should be 8.5t, with 1.5 being munitions
 
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