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...and every sensible soul on this forum. It's not "squandering" since it'll provide valuable capabilities to the Navy, but it's still wasteful. The budget for this should've been allocated for AAW destroyers instead. But dare I say they also need to project power to the Gulf and the Arabian Sea somehow, so it makes sense even there are more urgent needs right now.
One doesn't exclude the other.
Besides, commissioning will be in the latter part of the '30s or early '40's. Plenty of time to pump out more FFG's and DDG's.
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Yes, but aside from deploying the CV to the Gulf, it's still unrequired for most use cases. If they want to invest in Naval Aviation, they could still go for land based capacity for nearby missions with conventional Hurjet/Kizilelma/Anka 3 et al. or maybe even Kaan. For Libya or Cent./West. Med. contingencies, they could deploy aircraft at Libya instead, which is what they're planning to do anyway.
They only need the CV for the Arabian Sea/the Gulf and beyond. I mean I only support this decision because of their hidden intention to put pressure on the Gulf and possibly encircle Greece in the event of a confrontation, but even then this ship will spend half of it's lifetime at the port anyway.
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There was a reason why the previous MoD inspected QE class multiple times. It was clear that there was interest. I thought it as they wanted a licence build one like the TCG Anadolu.
Only recently we learned they actually wanted to buy one outright to the surprise of everyone, including the British.
In hindsight "their" expectations were completely wrong, with my expectations being too low lmao.
And can you imagine the discussions taking place at the DPO? Designing the thing with a modular ski-ramp that can be removed if the defence industry comes up with a catapult in the meantime.
They went from needing to ask the Germans to put a scope on their service rifle to having enough fate in themselves to indigenously design an aircraft carrier in such a way that a catapult can be installed during or after construction and not from the beginning.
To put things into perspective, Turkish naval shipbuilding is currently building 7 Ada class derived ships for the domestic and international market.
"why do we need a carrier? The entirety of Turkiye is a carrier" argument strikes again
They haven't stationed fighters in Libya proper. Besides a carrier comes in handy in another situations outside of the med.
Ah, so they need a carrier for the rest of the worlds oceans?
It's use will be far greater than that. Think NATO not being allowed to have carriers in the Black Sea and what influence Turkiye will gain by having a carrier.
The fate of conventional propulsion. By the time this carrier is commissioned, they'll be designing a CVN for the '50s
Let me tell you this, looking at its growing influence, Turkiye is in far more need of a carrier than Italy and Spain combined.
Ah, so they need a carrier for the rest of the worlds oceans?
Pfff, I mean if we were really pushing it to come up with a use case for this carrier; then yes you could deploy it to the East Asia like every other European navy does. You could also deploy it in the Atlantic or the Indian Ocean but these are not frequent deployments and need I remind you this ship will be the sole CV of the Navy. If you really wanted to go impearialistic, there are better ways to do that, such as strengthening your economy as an example.
What I'm saying is that the Navy could've better used their resources for more urgent needs. Turkey's surrounded by crazy madmen with BMs and capable aircraft, and if the latest attack on Israeli airbases is an example to go by, Turkey urgently needs to upgrade its air defences and really go all in on procuring dozens of Siper and Hisar battaries in general.
Specifications of Turkey's aircraft carrier: 60,000 tons displacement (more than twice that of the Anadolu), 285 meters long, 72 meters wide at its widest point, angled flight deck and 10.1 meters draft.
The Aircraft Carrier is intended to carry manned and unmanned aircraft, including Bayraktar TB3 and Kızılelma, as well as Anka 3 and Turkish Aerospace Industries' Hurjet light fighter jet. In total capacity, the carrier will be able to carry 50 aircraft, 30 in the hangar and 20 on deck.
Although it is stated that the naval version of Kaan is also among the plans, we should point out that this is not official information at the moment.
The Aircraft Carrier is intended to carry manned and unmanned aircraft, including Bayraktar TB3 and Kızılelma, as well as Anka 3 and Turkish Aerospace Industries' Hurjet light fighter jet. In total capacity, the carrier will be able to carry 50 aircraft, 30 in the hangar and 20 on deck.
Although it is stated that the naval version of Kaan is also among the plans, we should point out that this is not official information at the moment.