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Radonislav

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schrage musik said:
Wonderful. Looks a lot fatter than the Block 1 but I love the SM-2/3/6 like layout they have adopted for the missile. It shouldn't be a problem for them to stack a booster under it and increase its range to 250 km or perhaps even higher.

If they can add a booster, and put a Pif-Paf type DACS on this missile, it could be a very strong competitor to the PAC-3.

It can be a good substitute for the SM-6 on TN ships. Make it dual-packable inside the MIDLAS VLS and the I-Class will outclass the Greek FREMMs in terms of both range and magazine size for AAW.

This thing is a pretty big deal.
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Booster added to this missile and Pif-Paf's are going to lay the foundation for Siper B3,

I don't think that B3 will be double packable but we might see B2 being used on I class with a doublepack option, at least that's the impression I get from foldable wings
 
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zavve said:
To my knowledge, putting PIF-PAF on a missile is not that easy. It is not a thing that can be added on, it needs to be designed with it from the get-go. Is it also not too big to be a PAC-3 MSE competitor?
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I guess I tried to say too many things in too few words there.

I was not suggesting that a DACS can be bolted on to this missile, in the way a booster can be bolted on to increase range. I was drawing parallels to the evolution of the SM series and the Patriot series of SAMs.

For example, the PAC-2 is a 5.2m long, 160 km range missile that can fit inside a tactical length MK-41 cell. The Siper Block 2 tested today seems broadly similar in size and range (140 km) to this missile, but I expect it to weight considerably less than the 30 year old PAC-2. The PAC-2 evolved into the PAC-3 and the PAC-3 MSE in which a DACS was added, which was at the same time a much lighter missile with greater range. The Siper Block 2 can develop in a similar way.

Now, when it comes to similarities with the SM-family, I think those are much more obvious. The Block 1 has already adopted a booster to increase range of the base missile. We already know that Siper Block 1 will be used in MIDLAS. If Block 2 is adapted for launch from MIDLAS in a similar configuration, it will approach SM-6 range.
 
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schrage musik

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I doubt this is possible as the MIDLAS seems to be very similar or an outright copy of the Mk 41.

I just don't see it having enough space for dual packing the B2.
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That would be a shame. I like how the Koreans solved this problem. They started with the KVLS-1 which was similar to MK-41, then developed the larger KVLS-2 which could fire missiles that won't fit into the Mk-41. Next they came up with the KVLS-3 because, well, they figured IRBMs could be useful on ships too.
 
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Radonislav

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Given that MIDLAS will be able to launch BMs, -at least SRBMs-, it should have a minimum of around 650-700mm of available space
 
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zavve

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schrage musik said:
The PAC-2 evolved into the PAC-3 and the PAC-3 MSE in which a DACS was added, which was at the same time a much lighter missile with greater range. The Siper Block 2 can develop in a similar way.
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PAC-2 and PAC-3 are two different missiles. Patriot is just the name of the entire SAM system, PAC-2 and PAC-3 are unrelated missiles.
 
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