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Although the utilities of putting a thrust vectoring engine on a plane that is already small and maneuverable are questionable, thrust vectoring for Kızılelma is confirmed.
P.S. which conops would require a stealth unmanned fighter (that is designed to engage its targets at long distances) to be super maneuverable?!
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I haven't watched the interview yet, the quotes above are from Cabatli_TR on Defencehub
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Size comparison made by miguyan2000 on twitter:
Now I understand what Mete Yarrar meant by 'MMU parts as large as an F-16 wing'.
If the models are scaled correctly I think they should go for F-110 class engine.
The latest design is on the same scale as an F-15E in terms of length and size. So it is in a way more like a stealthified F-15EX Eagle II than a Turkish F-22.
I was referring to kizilelma. It appears to be a F-16 sized bird based on the comparison image. I think using medium thrust engine would hold it back. Since Turkey has access for F-110 as a stopgap for MMU it shouldn’t be hard to get permission to use it on Kizilema as well. Using medium thrust engine will hold the airframe back.
Ignore the size. Focus on the weight. It's as light as a feather compared to conventional fighters. It's situated in between a Gripen and F-16 size wise, with half the MTOW of a Gripen. It can do fine with 3800lbf of the AI-25TLT as a groundattack/bomber aircraft but to be supermanouvrable, not more than 10000lbf is needed.
I predict the twin engined AI-322F variant will be as large as a twin engined heavy fighter while weighing half.
You should read my post above. It turns out that the TEI-TF-6000 engine was, among other applications, also developed for Kızılelma, and it is much more advanced and powerful than its counterparts.
Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
As you said, I also think that a single Al-25 would limit Kızılelma's full potential.
F-110 would be too big and ineffective for a possible KE application. Instead, using two smaller sized engines would unlock its full potential, and that is what's going to happen anyways; Kızılelma is not only planned to have different engines but also a twin engined version.
Aside from that we shouldn't forget the fact that the KE is envisaged as a (relatively) cost effective platform, like as a jet engined, steathified TB-2; so to say. That is one of the important, if not the most important requirement(s) of it. Taking that away would significantly reduce its effectiveness.