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sequ

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No way that thing on display is a prototype, and a flying one on that! That furniture thingy is probably what Baykar calls a "production development model/prototype" which is basically still a mock-up. I think the real prototype is still in the assembly phase.
And I've put you on ignore again ;)
 

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And I've put you on ignore again ;)
Does this look like an actual prototype to you? It's a mock-up, the real thing is clearly still at Baykar's facilities.

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Bayraktar Akıncı and Bayraktar TB2 Pilot Trainer Elif Ergin:

Structural integration of KIZILELMA has been completed to a large extent.

Mechanical and avionics integration process continues.

We are planning its first flight in the first months of 2023.

She says it herself. The real thing is not yet complete.

If that is the case, then how come they sent the actual unfinished prototype to Teknofest?

They sent a production development model which itself is a mock-up.
 

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I wonder how the twin engined Kizilelma variant will look like and if it'll be just as large as a heavyweight fighter with half the weight and half the thrust?

9300lbf at 6000-7000kg MTOW could be 18600lbf (F404/RM12/RD-33) at 12000-14000 kg MTOW at the size of an F-15.

Will it be large enough to have side weapons bays for SRAAM?

I just hope TEI completes the development of the TF6000/10000 in time to equip the majority of serial produced Kizilelma's, just as the PW PT-6 engine is now more prevalent on the Akinci than the original AI-450.
 
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sequ

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Selcuk Bayraktar:

"We have work in the space field. I'll talk about it tonight. Maybe it will take 5-10 years. I hope we will try to contribute to our adventure in space as well as the rebirth of our adventure in aviation."

LMAO this guy ain't going to stop...:cool:
 

Sinnavuuty

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I don't know if this was posted, but here are some news regarding this development:
Baykar increases the capacity of the Bayraktar TB2 SIHA production line to 30 units per month. Baykar also intends to produce 36 units of Bayraktar Kizilelma MIUS unmanned jet aircraft per year. As production capacity increases, 360 Bayraktar TB2 SIHAs will be produced annually. In addition, 36 productions by Bayraktar Kizilelma and Bayraktar Akinci will be made annually. This production capacity means a volume of more than 3 billion dollars per year.

 

sequ

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Fun fact, with a wing area of ~34 m2 (not official, guesstimated by me by adding 16% to the wing area of a Gripen B/D which has the same length as the Kizilelma but smaller wingspan (by 16%)), the Kizilelma will have a wingloading of mere ~180 kg/m2 at MTOW.
I wonder what the take-off/landing speed is...
 

sequ

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360 degree view of the TF6000:


The core of this engine can be used for a turboshaft delivering 3500hp to 4000hp.
 
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Interview with Prof Akşit from TEI:

Emphasizing that they have been working on the engine (TF6000) for more than 2 years, Akşit said, "The design is finished and it is in the production phase. Since the prototype of such a large engine is manufactured for the first time, it may take more than a year, but our goal is to complete the production in the first months of next year and start the engine in the first quarter."
Akşit said: "We made the leap from the TJ300 to this engine. We are gradually increasing the technology while making the leap. By the way, the helicopter engine is also a jet engine. With our TS1400 engine, which we developed for Gökbey, we have covered significant distances and achieved technologies. We developed the TF6000 by applying it to the engine. This is our fair model, but its design and details are finished and it is currently in production. I hope the next step will be the engine of the National Combat Aircraft. In other words, by climbing the steps of the ladder as fast as possible, we have the biggest and most high-tech engine. We're trying to reach you as soon as possible."

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