TU-22 Blinder/Backfire

tphuang

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That's the whole point! the Chinese have to do with less and my suggestion regarding Backfire has a point. In the Soviet navy's service they've proved their worth-

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[qimg]http://www.suchoj.com/andere/Tu-22/images/Tu-22RD_23.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/planes/tu22m3_006.jpg[/qimg]
Why are you suggesting China buy all the used planes that Russians do not even want anymore?
It's clear that China does not feel the need for backfires and bears, you can post as many pictures as you want and it won't change the situation.
 

BLUEJACKET

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Why are you suggesting China buy all the used planes that Russians do not even want anymore?
It's clear that China does not feel the need for backfires and bears, you can post as many pictures as you want and it won't change the situation.
No, buy a few of them and then modernize like those earlier MIGs & TUs.
India operates TU-142 and MIGs. China is well behind the Russian and it's natural for her to follow in their footsteps.
Unless you have access to their plans or read their mind, please don't speak for the Chinese as to for what they "don't feel need for".
 
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tphuang

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No, buy a few of them and then modernize like those earlier MIGs & TUs.
India operates TU-142 and MIGs. China is well behind the Russian and it's natural for her to follow in their footsteps.
Unless you have access to their plans or read their mind, please don't speak for the Chinese as to for what they "don't feel need for".
hmm, they've been offered for a year and half. We haven't even heard about any snippet of interest from PLAAF. I think that's pretty clear evidence. In addition, Kanwa's Russian sources said that they haven't got any interest from China either.

China maybe behind the Russians, but that does not mean it needs everything Russian operates. China is not India.
 

BLUEJACKET

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hmm, they've been offered for a year and half. We haven't even heard about any snippet of interest from PLAAF. I think that's pretty clear evidence. In addition, Kanwa's Russian sources said that they haven't got any interest from China either.
China maybe behind the Russians, but that does not mean it needs everything Russian operates. China is not India.
True, but can you provide a reference showing that TU-22s were offered and for how much? Maybe they're still negotiating or just bide their time before making an offer? India has something that China doesn't and vice versa, so I wouldn't use it as a factor. PRC doesn't need everything Russia had/has, but only what can be adopted for their own use. Many 3rd world nations bought and/or copied from US, USSR & France during the Cold War- and more often than not those weapon systems weren't idle.
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China was offered Tu-22M3 as the Russians can't sell their Tu-160 which is their crown jewels, so the Tu-22M3 is the next best thing. However, that is also rejected. Ukraine is said to have destroyed their remaining fleet of Tu-22M3 and Tu-160, though I wondered what "destroyed" really means *wink* *wink*. Nonetheless, China does not appear to be interested on Tu-22M3, despite such aircraft was brought into the Sino-Russian exercises in August 2004 to show to officials.

How about M-4 / Mya-4 / 3M
Myasishchev 'Bison'?
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I think the Russians will sooner sell them to the PLAAF than Tu-160s!
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What I meant that China is probably more interested to extract data from the aircraft, studying their parts and so on, and perhaps even a flying plane or two for testing.

But not operationally put them in service. I don't think these aircraft are very serviceable.
 

Jeff Head

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What I meant that China is probably more interested to extract data from the aircraft, studying their parts and so on, and perhaps even a flying plane or two for testing.

But not operationally put them in service. I don't think these aircraft are very serviceable.
Well, if China obtained 40 TU-22M3 Backfires, and the missiles to go with them, that would be a significant development. Those aircraft are relatively new compared to any Blinders or earlier Backfires, are capable and modern aircraft with significant payload capabilities, and could pose a very signifcant threat to any naval vessel within the 2nd island chain.

Whether the Chinese would purchase them and then try and either maintain them or license build more is very questionable at this point...and whether they would (like with the Soviets) be a part of the PLAN, or be controlled by the PLAAF, is also an interesting question should it ever turn out that the PRC even obtains them. My point is simply that if they did, it would be a significant development.
 

BLUEJACKET

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...and whether they would (like with the Soviets) be a part of the PLAN, or be controlled by the PLAAF, is also an interesting question should it ever turn out that the PRC even obtains them.
They would most likely have them in both AF & Navy, just like the Russians. That picture above is on another tread and it's probably doctored.
 

crobato

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The other pic is real. It was taken during the Sino-Russian exercise. The Russians bought a number of Tu-22M3s. In reality the exercise is actually more of a marketing show off to sell more weapons to China. The Tu-22M3 was there to show off in an attempt to garner sales. Nothing happened though.

There is a doctored version of this pic, where someone crudely added PLAAF insignia in the plane's tail.

Sorry folks. Tu-22M3s with the PLAAF sounds nice for nationalistic buffs, yesteryear plane buffs, Russian plane buffs, and China threat buffs, but it ain't going to happen.
 
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