TU-22 Blinder/Backfire

Red not Dead

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Re: TU-22 and/or TU-142 for PLAF next....

rommel said:
go on this link and read the part for the Tu-22
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Well it says hundreds of advanced aircraft...including 40 TU22m3!

So lets take a look on the russian strategic inventory...

It had around 20 BJ (16?)

~145 Blinders (105 now?)

So what's the big deal?
 

BLUEJACKET

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There were reports that Russia may sell TU-22s to China.
On 13 January 2005, the chief of the Russian Air Force, Vladimir Mikhailov, said that the Russian military could sell a number of Tu-22M3 and Tu-95 bomber aircraft to China. He confirmed that Russia would send Tu-22M3 to take part in the joint China-Russia military exercise in 2005, and Russia’s clear intention to sell the aircraft to China. It is not known if China is still interested in buying this aircraft.
This dramatic change may have been a direct result of the Russian Air Force’s decision in 2004 to retire hundreds of its advanced aircraft, including 40 new TU-22M3 bombers. The move by Moscow was seen as a cost-cutting effort to allow for future development of advanced aircraft. Nevertheless, with a max range of 4000km with refuelling, the bomber would have substantially upgraded the PLAAF’s coverage of the areas around Taiwan or the South China Sea. Though spare parts would become a problem, the mere possession of this system, let alone any production capability, would have constituted a substantial upgrade to the PLAAF.

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How about the older variants of TU-22 Blinder?
The Tu-22 was originally intended as a supersonic replacement for the Tupolev Tu-16 bomber. ...The Tu-22 was upgraded in service with more powerful engines, in-flight refueling (for those aircraft that didn't have it initially), and better electronics. Tu-22s were exported to Iraq and Libya in the 1970s. At the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union there were 154 remaining in service, but none are now believed to be flying.

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From 1965 on, all Blinder aircraft were equipped with an air refueling system, consisting of a refueling probe which folds into the fuselage when not in use. And beginning in 1965 the TU-22 fleet was re-equipped with more powerful RD-7M2 engines which allowed an increase in the maximum speed up to 1,600 km/h.

The TU-22 bombers was intended to replace the TU-16, but due to its' poor performance it was deemed unsatisfactory. Carrying a similar payload to only a slightly greater range, the Tu-22 offered no real increase in capability. Its limited range was its main disadvantage, though the TU-22K only carried one missile whereas the TU-16 carried up to three. Unreliable and prone to accidents, the Blinder was not built in sufficient numbers to replace the aging Tu-16 Badgers, which remained in service well into the 1970s. Subseqeuntly, KB Tupolev sought to upgrade the TU-22 in the form of a new design [designated "106"] that was supposed to have a range of 6700km, a speed of 2,000km/h and new HK-6 engines. This effort eventually led to the development of the Tu-22M BACKFIRE.
The Tu-22 was used by the Soviet Union in the Afghanistan War, and served the Soviet Air Force, and Navy into the late 1980’s. Iraq received about 12 Blinders in 1973, while Libya received their 12 to 18 from 1977 to 1983. They were used by Iraq during in Iraq-Iran War, and by Libya during the conflicts in Sudan and Chad. A number of Blinders from each nation were lost to SAM’s of opposing nations. As of 2000, Ukraine remains the sole operator of the type, with the Libyan, and Iraqi aircraft thought to be unserviceable.
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China could probably buy those still in storage and reverse engineer it, eventually building their own TU-22M. Any thoughts anyone?
 

crobato

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But what's the point? The design is old and is built around turbojets. VG wing is passe and is notorious for servicing difficulties.

I think China is better off designing its own new medium range bomber. Don't know if its true if Xian is trying to make its own Su-34 like copy. Or make a redesigned JH-7 around WS-10A engines.
 

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The TU-16 is also old, but still in NEW production in PRC!

it's much cheaper for PLA to get H-6, it doesn't have to buy Russians missiles, it can launch its own set of LACMs, AShMs and is not restricted by MTCR. Plus, you get new airframes.
 

Finn McCool

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The TU-160 would be a much better purchase. A squadron or two of those would greatly increase China's ability to defend its reigonal waters. They present a real threat to a carrier or a powerful SAG (USN<cough>JMSDF<cough>;) ) if they are adeqately supported by fighters.

Of course, Russia does not seem eager to sell the TU-160 to anybody.
 
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crobato

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You can imagine how long these new airframes can last. The Tu-16s the Russians built in the sixties were still in service right up to the nineties, and retired mianly for budget reasons.

But do note that the Tu-16 is fixed wing. That's less headaches in the long run compared to variable wing designs.


Questions:

Will Tu-22M be more efficient than H-6 in loiter, range, avionics capacity, payload?
 

eecsmaster

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not really. Soviet Naval Aviation had, what? 2 regiments per carrier? They sure as hell weren't confident about their ability to penetrate the carrier defense screen.
 

BLUEJACKET

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But do note that the Tu-16 is fixed wing. That's less headaches in the long run compared to variable wing designs.
Questions:
Will Tu-22M be more efficient than H-6 in loiter, range, avionics capacity, payload?
They don't have to make an exact copy of the TU-22M (aka TU-26). The wings could be non-variable, but having the engines at the wingroots rather than in the tail section. Tu-22M and H-6 are complimentary to each other: both can be refueled in the air and be utilized in the variety of roles. A supersonic missile carrier will give more options to commanders how to deal with enemy assets at sea, on land and in the air.
Here is an older tread on this topic-
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=279&highlight=tu-22

not really. Soviet Naval Aviation had, what? 2 regiments per carrier? They sure as hell weren't confident about their ability to penetrate the carrier defense screen.
Not just that, it was for redundancy- some bombers could be in maintenance, plus the more numbers meant more missiles launched.
Here is an older tread on this topic-
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1125&highlight=bomber+carrier

The TU-160 would be a much better purchase. ...
Of course, Russia does not seem eager to sell the TU-160 to anybody.

That's the whole point! the Chinese have to do with less and my suggestion regarding Backfire has a point. In the Soviet navy's service they've proved their worth-

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