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Gloire_bb

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You really think that would make a difference when USA invades Canada? A few J-39 against USAF?
By themselves, no.
But it's possible to create a significant enough defensive system against USAF - US is not a magic state. Granted, aircraft are icing on the cake of such system rather than its basis, but this is a price for Canada's own planning mistakes.
As western "allies" found out, those who can't even resist aren't really valuable.
I am sorry, no.
In that situation, there is no practical difference whichever plane to have but in the case where Trump drops dead or whatever, having F-35 gives a longer competitiveness in the future. The CF-188 is 44 years old now, to put in perspective, if we get a new fighter today, the next fighter we get would be 2070.
80 F-35s don't add any longer competitiveness when compared to 40.
What they do add is x2 stronger day 1 capability in offensive strikes, and lower chance of losing pilots in foreign adventures under US lead.
But realistically, 40 is 100% enough for these participations.
Same is true for single largest selling point for F-35 - aka its combination of LO and data fusion, which benefits rest of the force. This is indeed a major argument - problem is, mono force of F-35s doesn't gather qualitively different data from 1/2 amount of F-35s, there's just no "rest of force" to benefit from it.

Otherwise, Stealth or not, Gripen E is a newer aircraft than F-35, and there's significantly more of them, cheaper(esp. over time) at a similar pricepoint. While they can't pen without taking attrition - everything else, they can, including things F-35 can't and won't be able to do(escort jamming).
Furthermore, SAAB does their usual thing and sticks an entire sovereign AEW capability with secondary maritime patrol into the price margin.

Frankly speaking, mixed force design is such an obvious no-brainer(as compared to aggressive all black ford campaign), that as soon as F-35 stop being ticket into white man's privilege, it shouldn't even be discussed.
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
You really think that would make a difference when USA invades Canada? A few J-39 against USAF?

I am sorry, no.
In that situation, there is no practical difference whichever plane to have but in the case where Trump drops dead or whatever, having F-35 gives a longer competitiveness in the future. The CF-188 is 44 years old now, to put in perspective, if we get a new fighter today, the next fighter we get would be 2070.



Must as well skip 4.5 gen and get GCAP which I would be fine.



Whatever military hardware we get can't stop USA invasion from the south, put UK/germany/France in Canada's geopgraphy, it would still be a stomp. All our major cities are next to the American border. Once the cities are taken, canada will sadly cease to be, all the guerrilla war talk are nonsensical, pure copium. Despite the huge geography, most of us canadians won't survive in the country side during winter. Winter will eat us alive. The american force could leave the country side to rot.

The F-35 is the only plane on the market to give us the longest competitiveness in the future if the US invasion never happens, it would be used in expeditionary matters and keep russians away from the north (though even if Ukraine war never happened, i doubt they are dumb enough to go invade through the Arctic. I've been there)


Having both J-39 and F-35 is an option but politically, it seems to be an either or situation.

So what you are saying is Canada needs a nuclear deterrence? ;)

Joking aside, the best way for Canada to deter American invasion might ironically for it to adopt the very same asymmetric offensive-defensive strategy that America is now trying to implement in Taiwan.

If Canada just gave up on all pretence of having a conventional military and instead put its whole procurement budget on Shahed drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, they might be able to credibly cause America enough economic-industrial damage to not be worth the trouble and cost of America annexing them.

But to be honest, it’s about a decade too late to shift to such a policy, as it will take time to build up sufficient missile stocks to achieve minimum viable capabilities, but any attempt to do so will likely trigger an American invasion.
 

sutton999

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The force behind Epstein is so powerful. Then why didn't it stop Miami police from exposing Epstein?

Because that is how it became a blackmail trigger, with public knowledge and expectation built up.

So they orchestrated both 911 and the Epstein case, for the Middle East agenda?

Even though Iran wants to play a role similar to India (a global south country tilted towards the West), Israel will not allow it.
 
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