Trump 2.0 official thread

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“This is my rifle and this is my gun, this is for fighting and this is for fun”.

— Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Full Metal Jacket (1987).

“This is my rifle and this is my gun, this is for fighting "illegal" brown Americans and this is fun”.

— Gun toting Plastic Barbie Christie Noem.

 

[GulfLander]

Responding to questions Thursday about meetings between Alberta separatists and officials within the Trump administration, Prime Minister Mark Carney said he expects the U.S. to “respect Canadian sovereignty.”

 

[Gloire_bb]

Before 2014, I said Canada's best alternative other than F-35 would be actually Su-30 variants (disregarding the logistics and new systems) Russia and Canada geography is very alike, cold and empty.

Now, F-35 is really the only alternative, there is absolutely no point in getting gripens. But our government will dilly dally till CF-188 starts falling from the sky.

Mixed fleet (F-35 - Gripen - Erieye) is arguably the best bang for buck fleet Canada can hope to get. There's simply no point going for other western fighters, nor throwing additional money into air in general, USAF is always going to be dominant.

Additional lightnings don't add nearly as much value as the already contracted ones, and full lightning fleet only made sense in a world which Canada itself proclaimed as gone. I.e. it was in essence paying symbolic feudal homage for a right to be another civilized one man on the right side.

What they caaan do is start producing IADS. In Canadian case, pretty much from scratch, as they have nothing.
Which indeed reinforces American point of free riding.

 

[Maikeru]

Canada should get a European 4.5gen as a stopgap (possibly 2nd hand) and buy into GCAP.

 

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[Overbom]

Now, F-35 is really the only alternative, there is absolutely no point in getting gripens. But our government will dilly dally till CF-188 starts falling from the sky.

When daddy comes for Canada and you attempt to fly your fabulous F-35 for defence and then get hit with a "Please enter daddy's password to take off", you will understand that gripens that can actually fly and fight for you are infinitely better than F-35s