Trump 2.0 official thread

TK3600

Major
Registered Member
Well, the thing is the US(and many others) doesn't seem to understand India's mindset/political doctrine. The thing is India has always been selfish and protective of her sovereignty and independence, due to her history with colonial struggle. So this has instilled a deep-seated suspicion of outside influence, making India wary of any international agreements or alliances which she perceives as constraining her decisionmaking. This is why even during tbe cold war, India styled herself as the leader of the non aligned mouvement and refused to take sides categorically(even when China allied with doviet Union after the communist took power in beijing snd later allied with the US when relationd soured with the Soviets) though for practical reasons they had good military ties with the Soviet Union but even so they never officially allied with the Soviets and never indulged them ideologically or economically/industrially . So people need to understand that India will never allow herself to be taking the side of a major superpower, at most they will cooperate and partner but she will never get into a formal alliance which binds her and undermines her soverignty and independent foriegn policy or national interests. If there is something she deems suites her interests then she will go for it irrespective of US/Western displeasure. We saw this with her relations with Iran, Venezuela, Russia and even N.Korea(yes they maintain relations and ties).
This is something the US and some other countries(E.U and other asian powers included) don't seem to understand. So India is bound to have issues with the West down the line in the long term just due to thid and as indias economy grows more and more.
You never know. India is wide open for regime change. If current government is not willing to compromise, there could be systemic effort to replace them one by one. I am sure all current US vassals were self serving at some point, but look at them now.
 

4Tran

Junior Member
Registered Member
You never know. India is wide open for regime change. If current government is not willing to compromise, there could be systemic effort to replace them one by one. I am sure all current US vassals were self serving at some point, but look at them now.
India is actually one of the toughest countries in the world to topple. Anyone trying to do so has to fight against all sorts of blind Jai Hind pride, and then they have to deal with the fragmented Indian governing system, and then they have to defeat the morass of Indian bureaucray with its billion little fiefdoms. It's basically an impossible task, and I pity anyone who puts resources in trying to accomplish it.

While it may be very easy to make India ineffectual (which may be accomplished by simply leaving India to its own devices), it's a nightmare trying to get it to do what you want it to do.
 

tamsen_ikard

Senior Member
Registered Member
You never know. India is wide open for regime change. If current government is not willing to compromise, there could be systemic effort to replace them one by one. I am sure all current US vassals were self serving at some point, but look at them now.
India was never and will never be a US vassal. Its delusions of grandeur is so high that they already talk about how they "dominate" the Indian ocean. Even when India was extremely poor, needing food handouts from the west, it was still part of NAM and pro-soviet bloc.

India is more likely to publicly challenge US than China. There is a strong likelihood that India will become an enemy of US even earlier than China due to foolish delusions. While China stays in the background quietly taking more power.
 

4Tran

Junior Member
Registered Member
India was never and will never be a US vassal. Its delusions of grandeur is so high that they already talk about how they "dominate" the Indian ocean. Even when India was extremely poor, needing food handouts from the west, it was still part of NAM and pro-soviet bloc.

India is more likely to publicly challenge US than China. There is a strong likelihood that India will become an enemy of US even earlier than China due to foolish delusions. While China stays in the background quietly taking more power.
India has dreams of being a superpower, so they will never be a vassal to anyone. In fact, they're so self-serving that they'll probably never be particularly useful either. I hear about the Japanese deals to partner with India to build AI infrastructure and high-speed rail, and I already know these are going to be boondoggles because India can't help itself.

That said, India is turning on the US right now, but that's purely a move born out of spite. At the end of the day, there's no meaningful way for India to interact with American interests much less be an enemy in any significant way. On the other hand, until India and China sign a formal territorial agreement, India is always going to be very wary of its northern neighbor. And even if such a treaty were to be signed, how many people think that India will actually stick to its stipulations? These two countries are natural rivals so I can't see any long term friendship between them, so it's all a matter of China getting what it can out of the relationship while it lasts.

Then again, Russia and China are natural rivals too, and yet the two are fast friends right now. Still, I can't see the US pushing India as far as NATO pushed Russia, but who knows how stupid they can get?
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Well, the thing is the US(and many others) doesn't seem to understand India's mindset/political doctrine. The thing is India has always been selfish and protective of her sovereignty and independence, due to her history with colonial struggle. So this has instilled a deep-seated suspicion of outside influence, making India wary of any international agreements or alliances which she perceives as constraining her decisionmaking. This is why even during tbe cold war, India styled herself as the leader of the non aligned mouvement and refused to take sides categorically(even when China allied with doviet Union after the communist took power in beijing snd later allied with the US when relationd soured with the Soviets) though for practical reasons they had good military ties with the Soviet Union but even so they never officially allied with the Soviets and never indulged them ideologically or economically/industrially . So people need to understand that India will never allow herself to be taking the side of a major superpower, at most they will cooperate and partner but she will never get into a formal alliance which binds her and undermines her soverignty and independent foriegn policy or national interests. If there is something she deems suites her interests then she will go for it irrespective of US/Western displeasure. We saw this with her relations with Iran, Venezuela, Russia and even N.Korea(yes they maintain relations and ties).
This is something the US and some other countries(E.U and other asian powers included) don't seem to understand. So India is bound to have issues with the West down the line in the long term just due to thid and as indias economy grows more and more.
I must have missed something in history class. When was China ever a US treaty ally?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Seems Trump and his advisers have come to notice India's "arrogance, protectionism and independent self interests" for what it really is. Lol

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

During the interview, Mr Navarro said: “What’s troubling to me is that the Indians are so arrogant about this. They say, ‘Oh, we don’t have higher tariffs. Oh, it’s our sovereignty. We can buy oil from anyone we want.’ India, you’re the biggest democracy in the world, okay, act like one.”



Seems like Trump and his close advisers won't tolerate arrogance and pride. Lol. Interesting times we are living in. :) Lol
How arrogant India is. They think they can set their own tariff rates and choose whom to buy oil from... How does Navarro think democracies should act? Just take orders from other countries??? The US can start.
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
The vultures are circling. I bet if he does die, they'll will be a fight within the Republican Party of how Donald Trump Jr. should takeover to be President. I don't think if he dies people are going to be respectful. There are going to be people that will openly celebrate.

Yeah, exactly.

When Baroness Margaret Thatcher died, people danced in the streets.

:oops:


 

GulfLander

Colonel
Registered Member
Kennedy names deputy Jim O’Neill as acting CDC director after Monarez ouster
Deputy Health and Human Services Secretary Jim O’Neill will serve as acting director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy said in a letter to CDC staff.

O’Neill joined HHS in June after years as a Silicon Valley-based technology and biotech investor, including stints with the Thiel Foundation and later the Thiel Fellowship, a grant program for young entrepreneurs started by billionaire Palantir founder Peter Thiel
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 
Top