Trump 2.0 official thread

[AssassinsMace]

Does anyone think Trump is dying as some are speculating? People were worried that Trump would run for a third term. I thought he was never going to make it. It is interesting about how he's been talking about Heaven. The guy could have never ever thought about God in life by his actions except to fool Christians into voting for him. I'm surprised he hasn't said that he would do a better job than God... but there's still time. The guy is out loud talking about whether or not being able to enter Heaven. So he's thinking about it. Then you have JD Vance already saying he would be ready to take over as President... The vultures are circling. I bet if he does die, they'll will be a fight within the Republican Party of how Donald Trump Jr. should takeover to be President. I don't think if he dies people are going to be respectful. There are going to be people that will openly celebrate.

 

[Hyper]

Industrial welding robots are used on a massive scale in car manufacturing. But those are very thin metal in comparison to what typically needs welding in marine welding. And the welding robots are massive.

Automated welding is fine when you have lots of repetitive welds you can feed into a manufacturing line. But in shipbuilding you have most of the welds in confined spaces and no one has come close to developing welding robots that can do even a fraction of the kinds of welds needed to put a ship together. More to the point, the task is so daunting, no one is even trying to develop a robot to replace human welders for this role.

So the welds are inaccessible via conventional means? Are they in some very tight spots?

 

[SlothmanAllen]

It’s actually the welds I’m more worried about. Marine welding isn’t like regular welding and this is an area in particular that skill and experience is critically important.

Not just marine welding. Welding of linings that must withstand -162 °C.

US would have better luck getting SK to transfer the territory where the shipyards sit on to the US.

Is automation possible? Laser or Electron welding? Friction stir?

Industrial welding robots are used on a massive scale in car manufacturing. But those are very thin metal in comparison to what typically needs welding in marine welding. And the welding robots are massive.

Automated welding is fine when you have lots of repetitive welds you can feed into a manufacturing line. But in shipbuilding you have most of the welds in confined spaces and no one has come close to developing welding robots that can do even a fraction of the kinds of welds needed to put a ship together. More to the point, the task is so daunting, no one is even trying to develop a robot to replace human welders for this role.

I think it is important to remember that this investment in the Philly Yard by Hanwah is in the early stages and as many of you point out it is going to take time for talent to be trained and tech to be transferred. Fundamentally I don't see why this cannot transition to a succsful yard for the US, its just a matter of time and commitment. If they don't have those things, then no amount of training and tech transfer will help.

The most interesting thing about projects like this to me is the aspect of countries like the US, Canada and other developed nations attempting to build out new industrial sectors for their economy. That is not something they really do or have been doing for some time. So you have to wonder if it is possible for developed countries to build these type of industries or is de-industrialization an irreversible process once it starts?

 

[Engineer]

I think it is important to remember that this investment in the Philly Yard by Hanwah is in the early stages and as many of you point out it is going to take time for talent to be trained and tech to be transferred. Fundamentally I don't see why this cannot transition to a succsful yard for the US, its just a matter of time and commitment. If they don't have those things, then no amount of training and tech transfer will help.

If you were to say theoretically, I wouldn't disagree. Fundamentally, modern cultural and societal factors in the US are obstructive to engineering projects. What's going to happen is that the engineers will only be there as a token gesture. The real decision making will be done by MBAs, lawyers, and liberal art graduates, guaranteeing the project to fail.

The most interesting thing about projects like this to me is the aspect of countries like the US, Canada and other developed nations attempting to build out new industrial sectors for their economy. That is not something they really do or have been doing for some time. So you have to wonder if it is possible for developed countries to build these type of industries or is de-industrialization an irreversible process once it starts?

They are not building out new industrial sectors though, but only focus on building crown jewels of the industry. It's like someone who doesn't exercise then suddenly wants to win gold in Olympics.

 

[SlothmanAllen]

If you were to say theoretically, I wouldn't disagree. Fundamentally, modern cultural and societal factors in the US are obstructive to engineering projects. What's going to happen is that the engineers will only be there as a token gesture. The real decision making will be done by MBAs, lawyers, and liberal art graduates, guaranteeing the project to fail.


They are not building out new industrial sectors. They only focus on building crown jewels of the industry. It's like someone who doesn't exercise then suddenly want to win gold in Olympics.

Good points. I agree with the first paragraph especially. It is very difficult to promote this type of industry in the West. The wages are not really competitive with other, less burdensome jobs, so it is a very tough sell.