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[iewgnem]

So if China lowers tariffs on US goods then the US will retaliate by imposing export tariffs on China.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1916837404943552784

This is especially funny because China didn't actually lower any tariff, China just asked businesses to identify a list of items that they source from the US that's subject to tariff, which Beijing will probably just help with impact mitigation.

But because of that non-news they just opened a pandora's box of export tariffs, something China can and should very much do.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

In that case China should just limit herself to her neighbourhood as a her core interests then like I said in another thread. In such a scenario, I think it would be benefitial for China to just try and strike a deal with the US whereby the US agrees to allow China have more say and control over her immediate neighbourhood and sovereignty (Taiwan, SCS) while the US has free reign to remain the single hegemony over the world. I believe Chinese leaders would 100% agree to this deal and they actually want such a deal. However the main issue is that the US doesn't seem to want to leave even this to China, hence the current impasse. I actually think it will be a WIN solution for both powers(US and China) China gets to finally reunite the country and gain her full sovereignty over contested areas while the US gets to maintainnher hold over much of the world.
I still think China's current leaders will limit themselves to only internevtion in protecting their core interests as they have said before which is Taiwan and SCS. They won't involve themselves in any other countries /issues. So this non interventionist policy will carry on for a long time to come. They are not ready to start a new revolutionary change in foreign policy and all the political risks that comes with such a change. So the status quo will carry on despite all the wishes and talks of some members on here.
I still think its a good policy for China, China should focus only on herself.

According to realist theories as advocated by Mearsheimer and others. You cannot allow another great power to become regional hegemon. What prevents China from doing this type of deal, gaining control of east Asia and then moving towards Latin America for example. So US will never trust China and Neither will China trust US.

The only way this end is oneside overpowers the other in a hot war, or one side loses its power/economy and breaks into pieces while fighting cold wars or they keep fighting for centuries. Rome and parthia fought for 400 years and then sassanids came to power in Iran and they started fighting for another few centuries.

As long as there is power balance, there is going to be competition or cold war

 

[zyklon]

I actually suspect that account is a LLM, mods should look into it. The way it phrase things is just not what humans do.

Is there a (secondary) Discord channel, chatroom or something along those lines tied to this forum?

Not to say such a medium or community is necessarily a good idea as a permanent fixture (you wouldn't want casual messages to cannibalize well thought out posts), but a discussion in realtime, perhaps something that can be framed as a "SDF Live!" broadcast will make for the easiest way to determine if @nativechicken or anyone else is AI powered or not.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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The thing you got to admire about the Enclave is that when they want to annexed Canada, they go ahead and do it instead of bitching and moaning about it on social media.

 

[lych470]

Many, if not most of the China Hawks around Trump genuinely believe China is evil and must be "

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" in some

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A lot of these guys treat "Freedom and Democracy" like a religion, and to them, the authoritarians of the CCP and the Chinese they govern are

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who must be converted or conquered.

To quote

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, who wanted to appear polite about it:


China Hawks are in many ways mirror images of salafist jihadis (who they also naturally detest), in their unrelenting sense of ideological superiority and utter intolerance for ideological deviance.



Out of desperation, perhaps to address another crisis or series of crisis elsewhere!

Considering Trump's propensity for self-sabotage, sooner or later he's going to seriously need Beijing for something, even more so than now.

At that point, he may very well rush into a "bad deal" if it's pitched to him in the right light to self-rationalize.

Winning the Cold War was the worst outcome for the Yanks, it turns out.

 

[iBBz]

China Hawks are in many ways mirror images of salafist jihadis (who they also naturally detest), in their unrelenting sense of ideological superiority and utter intolerance for ideological deviance.

This is because the US IS an extremist society that is constantly putting every other cultures down. I imagine things don't get better inside Ivy League and elite circles.

 

[siegecrossbow]

This is because the US IS an extremist society that is constantly putting every other cultures down. I imagine things don't get better inside Ivy League and elite circles.

Peter Navarro got his Masters from Harvard…

 

[lych470]

There is a difference between bilateral talks (which are happening as normal), and bilateral talks about Trump's tariffs (which are not happening). Bessent made the distinction himself.



I don't envy his position right now. He can't spout off like Navarro, because markets think he is the sane one and are watching his words for signals. He also can't come out and contradict Trump directly, because he wants to keep his job. But how are you supposed to say "my boss is completely full of shit" without actually saying it?

 

[zyklon]

Winning the Cold War was the worst outcome for the Yanks, it turns out.

The US did not win so much as the USSR collapsed onto itself and quit playing.

This is because the US IS an extremist society that is constantly putting every other cultures down. I imagine things don't get better inside Ivy League and elite circles.

The Ivy League can be surprisingly tolerant of anti-establishment and otherwise unorthodox ideas: it's one reason why

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against Zionism. Not to say they're necessarily tolerant of anything and everything.

Regardless, whether you like the Ivy League or not, they do tend to draw students intelligent and educated enough to appreciate nuance, consider tradeoffs, and otherwise "think things through."

However, the majority of Americans prefer "simpler truths," such as: America is the greatest, America can do no wrong, and America will always win.

Likewise, American elites, especially of the MAGA variety, regardless of academic pedigree, are generally speaking more than happy to reinforce such "simpler truths" preferred by the masses at the expense of factual truths if that's what will get them elected or appointed to federal office.

Peter Navarro got his Masters from Harvard…

Dr. Navarro got his PhD in economics from Harvard as well.

According to a friend who studied under him at UC Irvine many years ago, Navarro isn't actually evil, racist or a bad guy, but just weird or more precisely: "quirky and extremely stubborn."

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that the US economy will fly rather than fall when pushed off a cliff by tariffs.

 

[lych470]

That’s an insult to the power of autism in COD lobbies. The lobbies can probably do a better job and you know it.

First it was decided that members of this forum could run the US better than the current Trump regime.

Then it was decided that a CoD lobby could run the US better than the current lot in the White House.

I wonder to what depth we will delve next? Apex Legends? War Thunder? Fortnite? Minecraft? Roblox?