Trump 2.0 official thread
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So you wanted China to get involved in a partners internal political affairs to maintain the leader of that country?
What if it fails? Ever thought about the dissatisfaction this will create in the country? Might even lead to a reset of relations once the new leaders which China was hostile to gain power. So china's policy is right, stay away from involvement in country's internal political affairs. Let the West keep fumbling with that policy of constant involvement
Some of these guys are young with full throttle personalities. They just believe China should be roped into the playing the same games the west plays only for the west to then use it against them. China is on the right path and should refrain from interfering in others internal affairs.
Maybe I'm not old enough it. I wish I could have your level of confidence.
The thing about India is they do things which you think no one would do. And not in a good way.
It has been the case for a long time now, way before Imran Khan came into politics. Lol. In fact China supports Pakistan economically and military also because of china's hostile relations with India, if not for India then China will be treating Pakistan just like Afghanistan i. E neutrally without much economic or military ties as such. Since there is basically no economic sense to be so involved and investing large amount of capital in a quasi failed state like Pakistan.
Inaction due to fear of failure is not an serious argument. Just like everything in life there is always risk of failure, you just take calculated risk and in case of failure you adjust your strategy and move on.
In Pakistan's case, the consequence of inaction is clear: Pakistan is devolving rapidly in social economic measure and increasingly unstable and unable to suppress domestic terrorism which is costing Chinese life's and threaten Chinese investments. Pakistan as a partner is becoming a liability.
And what of a failure in intervention? Are current Pakistani leadership going to hate China so much they decide to become enemy of China? No, they have no choice but to play nice with China because none other then China can prop them up against India. Even the current western stooges of Pakistani elites has to play nice with China because of this.
Generally speaking China will have to change non-interventionalist stance moving on. I do not propose China should just copy US and stick their dick into every shit on earth; however complete inaction is not viable, China should at least be able to protect key foreign interests through limited intervention, especially against Western meddling.
OK let's say it fails. what happens? Nothing. Tons of countries are anti-China. The reason they don't do anything about China isn't because they don't want to but because they can't, not even irrationally against their own interest.
The problem is that once you start such a policy it will lead to an open can of worms where you have to do so in many other countries, since china's interests are now global by default, so you will have to be ready to get involved in many other countries around the world where Chinese interests are threatened, it will be even tge case as the US /China rivalry heats up even more this coming years/decades. Are you ready for China to start involving herself in countries internal affairs in that case? Because there are no half measures here. Its either you remain non interventionist or you become interventionist, there is no middle way here.
Anyway, I don't think the range of the current chinese leadership era will change their policy anytime soon, they will prefer to play it safe and minimize risk of failure like they have been doing for so long by avoiding interventionist policies. However, that might only change when a younger Chinese generation takes over the party/leadership since the youth seem to have a completely different view of the world compared to the older generation as they grew up in a much different China/world. So yes China will bevome more interventionist g geopolitically in the distant future but not anytime soon. Maybe during your generation when your generation will be at the steering wheel of China whether under the current party or another party.
I have to disagree, middle ground does exist, that's why I stress "key interest". It's not worth it to mobilize MSS for some mining rights in some random countries, we can let economics do the talking there; OTOH Pakistan is somewhat important strategic partner of China that is also bordering China where China has non-insignificant influence, if China is to exert influence this is where it should be.
It comes down to choosing our battles wisely, I'm not just going to assume we'll end up fucking up like the Americans does, in fact the Americans provided great teaching materials on what not to do in the future and I believe our leaders are taking those lessons to heart.