Trump 2.0 official thread
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You know despite Americans claiming they are opposed to Trump including democrats, most of them don't really have a problem with him. After all he is a reflection of what they are deep down. Loud mouth, brash, picking fights all the time etc. He's just honest about it unlike others.
Think about it. The amount of shit he has done would probably get him lynched or murdered long ago if they were that opposed to him. Yet even his opponents just go oh wellz orange man stupid so what can we say? The system certainly doesn't have issue with him since he has not faced that much resistance compared to what the narrative claims. They can say as many bad things about him as they want but have you noticed after that they just practically let him off?
Americans are supposed to be about freedomz and guns right? Yet they choose to let him cause all this chaos and at the end of it just say orange man bad and leave it at that.
Think about it. The amount of shit he has done would probably get him lynched or murdered long ago if they were that opposed to him. Yet even his opponents just go oh wellz orange man stupid so what can we say? The system certainly doesn't have issue with him since he has not faced that much resistance compared to what the narrative claims. They can say as many bad things about him as they want but have you noticed after that they just practically let him off?
Americans are supposed to be about freedomz and guns right? Yet they choose to let him cause all this chaos and at the end of it just say orange man bad and leave it at that.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
There will be no list of demands because there will never be a return to the previous relationship. China didn’t really want the previous relationship to start with, and has been working hard for a decade to disentangle itself from that relationship with minimal cost and disruption.
Trump made a colossal strategic fuckup trying to impose a Plaza Accords 2.0 on China, but doing it in the most stupid and idiotic manner imaginable.
He thought he was holding China hostage, but all he managed to do was massively accelerate China’s timetable and make it a hell of a lot easier for Beijing to achieve full decoupling with only a fraction of the costs it originally thought such a move would cost it.
It’s similar to someone who has been weaning themselves off of cigarettes for years, who has been steadfastly following a plan to quit and has made massive progress, and was planning on going to rehab as a final step but was putting it off due to the costs and stigma of that move, but suddenly the cigarette company announced they will cut him off unless he smokes twice as much as he used to and pay triple the price. And now that China has said ‘fuck you very much’ and finally quit altogether, the cigarette company is asking to go back to business as usual like he is doing you a massive favour because his factory is about to be foreclosed without your business. China will have to be a bigger moron than Trump to take that shitty deal.
I think this will become one of the most studied and cited blunders in world history in time, and one of the conclusions will be that this is perhaps one of the most incredible examples of loosing the next war because you were so totally obsessed with re-fighting the last war.
Trump’s crazy tariffs is basically the ultimate evolution of what his first term trade war against China should have been like. Had he made this move totally out of the blue back during his first term when China wasn’t expecting it and was not remotely prepared for it, it would have indeed been a strong move that would have put Beijing under a massive amount of pressure and forced it to make real painful concessions.
The problem is that he played this card a decade too late, after having fully telegraphed his intentions well in advance, and most crucially, after having already effectively vaccinated China previously against this exact same move with his first term play. Trump was so obsessed with perfecting his own move that he completely did not register all of the preparations and counters China has spent so much time, energy and resources to specifically develop to counter it, such that in the end, his Ultimate Evolution Signature Death-Move ended up being reflected with interest right back at him and America by China’s Tai Chi counter with little apparent effort.
We are now in the calm before the storm, the tiny gaps in time between when a blow hits and the damage first manifests.
Rather than seek to make a deal, what China is doing is preparing its own counter attack. It has already started with a few testing jabs to test America’s reaction and capabilities. But be assured, as it gets a better measure of its opponent, and gains more confidence in its own capabilities, the blows will start to come much fast and harder.
Trump has given China an opportunity beyond its wildest dreams, and the Chinese civilisation would not have survived until now if it doesn’t have the cunning and ruthlessness to go in for the kill when an enemy presents them with the opportunity, and this is a golden opportunity that might not come once even in a hundred years. China will not waste it for a shitty trade deal.
I agree. This is Suez level moment for the US.
China would be dumb as heck to not fully capitalize and prematurely provide an exit for the US
No, with such a US-blunder, and with rare-earth minerals card starting to be slowly played, it is time to go for the kill or inflicting huge damage on the US.
I would even say that what China really doesn't want right now, is for Trump to quickly reverse course and thus international opinion ask China to reverse tariffs and other actions as well.
This shouldn't be allowed. So it's a good move that China has asked for all "liberation day" tariffs on it to be reversed. It sounds logical to the world, but Trump's ego would never allow him to do such a humiliating retreat
In the rare case that Trump actually backs down very quick, China could then also ask for removal of all Trade War 1 tariffs. This would stretch world opinion towards believing China but it would be logical enough to accept it.
If all things fail, then China can quickly claim an even bigger moral ground and ask for the US to drop all liberation day tariffs to the world. A bit too far stretched, and others would have to give benefits to China, but it would instantly be catapulted to number 1 country to the world if it forced US to back down and rescue the rest of the world
The trick now is to keep inflicting damage to the US for as long as possible without appearing unreasonable to the world. This has been going very well so far
China would be dumb as heck to not fully capitalize and prematurely provide an exit for the US
No, with such a US-blunder, and with rare-earth minerals card starting to be slowly played, it is time to go for the kill or inflicting huge damage on the US.
I would even say that what China really doesn't want right now, is for Trump to quickly reverse course and thus international opinion ask China to reverse tariffs and other actions as well.
This shouldn't be allowed. So it's a good move that China has asked for all "liberation day" tariffs on it to be reversed. It sounds logical to the world, but Trump's ego would never allow him to do such a humiliating retreat
In the rare case that Trump actually backs down very quick, China could then also ask for removal of all Trade War 1 tariffs. This would stretch world opinion towards believing China but it would be logical enough to accept it.
If all things fail, then China can quickly claim an even bigger moral ground and ask for the US to drop all liberation day tariffs to the world. A bit too far stretched, and others would have to give benefits to China, but it would instantly be catapulted to number 1 country to the world if it forced US to back down and rescue the rest of the world
The trick now is to keep inflicting damage to the US for as long as possible without appearing unreasonable to the world. This has been going very well so far
You know strictly speaking Trump didn't lie.
"They had a meeting this morning" does not say anything about who meet with whom, could be China meeting with EU that morning.
"....and we’ve been meeting with China" also does not say anything about when, could be 3 month ago or 5 years ago, infact strictly the use of "and" implies meeting with China was not "this morning"
It's insane how desperate Americans are right now for China to grant them an audience, lol
Yes. I think the history books will write about this as a turning point.
I just don't see the US having sufficient leverage against China.
China has the upper hand because it can provide a stimulus package to absorb production capacity and also rebalance the economy. China can source US imports of raw materials elsewhere and also boost its domestic tech companies who have spent the past 8 years building alternatives to US tech.
In comparison, the US would face years of shortages (worse than COVID) because it will take that long to build up alternatives to China.
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It is in China's long-term economic/industrial interests to maintain as open a trading system as possible.
So there is an element of self-interest in China getting the US to remove the blanket 10% tariff on everyone in the world.
Could Trump freeze or confiscate China’s foreign exchange reserves? How might China respond?
Refuse to take dollar as payment for anything -- destruction of dollar as reserve currency.
Freezing/confiscation of China held bonds short of war is essentially a default -- no foreign nation will want to hold us bonds.
De-dollarization will come faster than you can say Jack Robinson.