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Colonel
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China never explicitly make dramatic threats, but leverage is leverage, Beijing placed export control on all countries, not just the US for a reason, and when China "suggested" Japan and Korea not become "cannon folder", it's not American cannon they're talking about.

Right now the world just got a demonstration of China saving their as, there will be those who are grateful and those who aren't, China can selectively punish and reward each until only those who are grateful remain, because everyone knows America no longer has any carrots.
The thing is that Trump is trying to buy himself 90 more days of vital Chinese supplies by inviting China to rerout goods with minimal tariffs.

Never give an enemy what they want or need.

To elaborate on collective punishment, this means denying US and anyone affiliated with US from a chance to reroute critical goods. I think now the best way is to put a transnational income tax on US multinationals. China needs not directly totally embargo US, it is more advantegous to let US embargo itself by implementing the promised worldwide tariffs. And when Trump sees how badly an income tax would wreck US stock markets (including raping all of his insider trading friends), he will either have to surrender or end the 90 day deadline.
 

SinoAmericanCW

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Everything is going well, Americans are poorer than ever while China remains unaffected wait no, 0.2% gdp growth reduced. We will make America poor again, starving like in the dust bowl or dying from disease as during covid, as they have always deserved for being aggressive to us for no reason.

The tariff pause is a surrender from Trump. He knows he cannot survive without China's trade, so now he wants China to make win win partnerships with ROW and reroute goods to US, maintaining the semblance of normalcy Trump needs to not be overthrown.

China must not accept allowing US consumers to access critical goods with low tariffs through rerouting. If Trump is scared of a total embargo, give him the total embargo.
If all that happens is that direct bilateral trade between China and the U.S. ends, with part of China's production rerouted through third countries, then I agree that the hit to China's economy will be limited, both in severity and duration.

But my impression is that Trump seeks to leverage his market and security umbrella to force the ROW to make a binary choice between the U.S. and China, which if successful would be significantly more damaging.

I agree that losing access to critical Chinese inputs, whether in the form of raw materials or industrial products, would be very damaging to the U.S. and its allies / vassals, but given Trump's latest moves I suspect that he and the admin might be willing to risk it for the sake of DPRK-izing China.

Then so be it, since 1945, America has expanded into China's neighborhood unprovoked. The threat must be culled.
Agreed. But as pertains the military balance, I'd be more sanguine if we were in 2035 instead of 2025.

IMO, China's defense budget should be increased to accelerate modernization timetables. To spend 1.6% of GDP / year was fine in a relatively stable world, but we're no longer living in that world. China has reached effective parity (when it's not slightly ahead) in virtually all key military platforms - now is the time to build mass.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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75 countries have called. Want to negotiate. Have not retaliated.

At a minimum they going to drop some if not all of the tariffs against US products.

So with some simple threats, America gave up nothing, likely getting some tariff relief, and got half of the world to the negotiating table.

So yea. Pause the tariffs.

Oh remember I said how they going to “work” on China as a group.
Fun fact, China is listed as one of the 70 countries. Tells you all you need to know about their data.
 

mack8

Junior Member
As much as attention grabbing the recent chaos is, the throes of a decaying, decrepit empire, i think it's a cover/attention distracting from other more sinister plans. Apart from the grotesque, genocidal plan of literally exterminating the palestinians, an attack on Iran is imminent (courtesy of the israeli AIPAC virus that is in control in US, Trump is just a cog, a very obvious, noisy, abrasive one but just a cog). Probably invasions of Greenland and Panama are likely as well, even dragging China in a conflict over Taiwan. With so many crises keeping the people distracted and having them look outward rather than inward they just want to kick the can down the road to postpone the inevitable demise of this US empire of theirs. If the crises stop and the people look inward then we will look at revolution/dissolution like it happened in USSR/Eastern Europe back in the day, with probably not a few members of the deep state (whether US or elsewhere, like EU) ending up against a wall with a machine gun aimed at them (again something that AIPAC really doesn't want).

Dark days ahead for humanity. I hope China is ready for any eventuality, as they are literally one of the few hopes for the rest of us.
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
My assessment thus far is that these events will likely boost China's international relations overall. Diplomatically the reasons are obvious, but economically we can take a closer look.

The events since "liberation day" demonstrate three things:
1) The US wants to and is willing to take on China
2) China wants to and is willing to take on the US.
3) The US WANTS to but is UNWILLING to take on the rest of the world at the same time.

The first thing has been fairly obvious for a while now, it shouldn't change many people's calculus. The 2nd point has been a point of contention, as it was unclear if China would be willing to retaliate in kind. But swiftness and magnitude of the Chinese response suggests that China not only is willing, but actually wants and has been preparing for it for a long time.

The 3rd point ties into the 2nd and is the most crucial. Trump likely would've wanted more than just 10% tariffs across the board on the ROW, but he has to hastily back down to it, resulting in no substantial economic gains and definitive diplomatic losses due to the robustness of the Chinese response. This leaves open the transit trade for China, but much more importantly, the ROW now sees China as the shield against the American trade onslaught. They now have a vested interest in China sustaining the trade war because they know that if China folds then in 90 days they'll be next. Furthermore, because they now understand that Trump is not willing to wage trade war on them at the same time, they can expand cooperation with China to a degree without the threat of American retaliation.

Going forward, I don't expect further tariff raises by the US and China. There's no reason for any side to deploy all troops in the first battle. Trump IMO has subtly signalled a desire for the escalation to stop by only levying 25% extra in the latest round. China will IMO most likely retaliate with non-tariff measures to signal its own willingness to stop the escalation. We will then have finished with the first salvos of the war, and then enter the protracted phase. Trump failed to leverage tariffs to reshape the global economic order with a Plaza Accord style agreement, so nothing will fundamentally change as the forces that drove the current trajectories remain.

The specifics of what will happen next remains, but the political stage is set for a repproachment between China and American allies IMO. I predict that China will attempt to boost internal consumption, possibly playing up the nationalist angle as consumption isn't just a money issue but a mood issue as well. Externally I see China broadening investments from the global south to traditional American allies, particularly Europe, who'll be hurt by the 10% tariffs more so than the global south and will want to capture the transit trade diverted from China. Trump will be busy negotiating with various countries, but with the uncertainty in the US preventing reshoring, with everyone being on equal footings tariffs-wise, and with so many individual negotiations needing to be done, nobody is really compelled to strike a deal so I can see the negotiations drag on.
 

mack8

Junior Member
IMO, China's defense budget should be increased to accelerate modernization timetables. To spend 1.6% of GDP / year was fine in a relatively stable world, but we're no longer living in that world. China has reached effective parity (when it's not slightly ahead) in virtually all key military platforms - now is the time to build mass.
China should have started spending at least twice that on defence from 20 years ago. To start now it's simply too late. The pressing issue would have been to reduce the gap in strategic systems, nukes and SSBNs so that any ideas of the US somehow surviving relatively unscathed in a nuclear war against China would have been completely burried. Additional tactical and power projection assets would have been useful too (more modern planes, carriers etc.), but that is secondary to guaranteed MAD.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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They're retarded if they don't anticipate that China will wreck them hard over this.

So far China matched exactly what US did + sneaked on more add on sanctions. I'm predicting China's next move is collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists. US wanted to tease 30% tariffs on the whole world, well guess what, China will force 30% global tariff on US into reality.

Trump is about to learn he was very stupid for escalating a fight with the largest economy in the world. But this is a man that ran casinos into the ground in the past, he is impervious to learning or improving.
Can you stop spewing BS? You are an embarrassment for wumaos. 低级红高级黑
 

henrik

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What about taking a que from Trump, Now is the time for China to officially revealed the domestic DUVL and EUVL and see the American stock exchange tank again....lol It's one of the last 2 remaining advantage the US hold (another one is aircraft engine) and may not last long when the CJ1000 enter IOC in a year or two or maybe hasten its employment as a way of retaliation against GE.

These DUVL and EUVL are already there, but what are they waiting for?
 

SinoAmericanCW

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China should have started spending at least twice that on defence from 20 years ago. To start now it's simply too late. The pressing issue would have been to reduce the gap in strategic systems, nukes and SSBNs so that any ideas of the US somehow surviving relatively unscathed in a nuclear war against China would have been completely burried. Additional tactical and power projection assets would have been useful too (more modern planes, carriers etc.), but that is secondary to guaranteed MAD.
China is rapidly scaling up its strategic forces. Under current trends, it should have parity in deployed warheads by 2035.

IMO, the biggest issue is the conventional rather than the nuclear balance. The PLAAF and the PLAN need to close the gap with the USAF and USN fast, and then surpass them.

Key platforms that need to be inducted in greater numbers include, off the top of my head:

-VLO combat aircraft (5th and 6th gens + H-20 bomber)
-Anti-submarine warfare platforms, both fixed-wing aircraft and shipborne helicopters
-Aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships
-Nuclear attack subs
 
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