Trump 2.0 official thread

[Mt1701d]

That’s true. Is the damage beyond repair? Will Canada, EU etc… give up on America and sign free trade agreements with China instead?

They haven’t. They called and said would like to negotiate. To not be tariffed, they going to give up on somethings right.

Have the biggest economy..biggest army and friends come to you.

I think you are grossly underestimating the damage that’s has been done. The unilateral trust took the Cold War, potential nuclear war and 80 years to build. And all that crumbled in the space of 2 weeks.

Like always Trump supporters, they seem to think it’s a zero sum game, but it’s not, it about interests, the US has show that it’s willing to just tear everything up and damaged their interests. Whatever deals being cut will likely damage them even more. ROW, now knows that, and when you have the potential for all that to happen again what may I ask would you yourself do. Would you surrender to fate or would you not have some plan b, c etc in place for when sh*t like this happens again?

I remind you, it took the threat of nuclear war and the potential end of humanity for the current systems, alliances and trust to build. All of that is basically gone, they may bend the knee but the US has just lost.

Just in case, I will continue, China is a known quantity, ROW knows roughly how they function, therefore can plan and work with them to minimise risks. The current US is no longer a known quantity, the only way forward is to de-risk. Remember, some of the deals/treaties/packs etc were signed by Trump himself, they meant nothing and whatever deals he signs now will mean nothing.

 

[Neurosmith]

...collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists.

That's a sure-fire way to destroy economic trust and overall relations with smaller trading partners. China had the opportunity to sign trade agreements with countries that otherwise would have been tariffed to high heaven by the US.

 

[RedBaron]

Germany and EU literally sabotaged their own economies when we told them to get off of Russian gas, cut Huawei, Chinese investments, etc…..

Korea sharing semiconductor trade secrets with U.S. because we asked.

Who's we ? I thought you were from Tibet ...

 

[SinoAmericanCW]

Cant believe all of this is more interesting than 6th gen stuff going on. What a time to be alive

Also, patting myself on the back to enter into ETFs day before and yesterday. Invested in US, EU, CN and emerging mkts. Betting on the human instinct to survive and replicate over medium and long term to prevail. xD.

The two are tied, ultimately. China's 6th gens are a (small) part of why the U.S. is doing what it is doing, and may eventually prove to also be a (major) part of the solution for China.

 

[Mt1701d]

They're retarded if they don't anticipate that China will wreck them hard over this.

So far China matched exactly what US did + sneaked on more add on sanctions. I'm predicting China's next move is collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists. US wanted to tease 30% tariffs on the whole world, well guess what, China will force 30% global tariff on US into reality.

Trump is about to learn he was very stupid for escalating a fight with the largest economy in the world. But this is a man that ran casinos into the ground in the past, he is impervious to learning or improving.

I don’t think China will use collective punish or at least I hope not, because that would play into the US’s hand. Now is the time negotiate and stick to deals, especially with the ones that went over to the US. Help them de-risk and the next time this sh*t happens again, the US can stand there and look at their collective middle finger.

 

[manqiangrexue]

That's a sure-fire way to destroy economic trust and overall relations with smaller trading partners.

Da

China had the opportunity to sign trade agreements with countries that otherwise would have been tariffed to high heaven by the US.

Not really. The fight is still China vs USA. We don't go around buying incompetent country's crap to bail them out just because the US left them high and dry. We should take care of our own manufacturing and demand and translate that into tech and military. Doing anything for these countries is basically dead end charity.

If these countries are smart, and mostly, they are guaranteed to not be, the only way moving forward to protect themselves from this type of blackmail, is to reinvent their economies so that they produce and consume domestically instead of relying to sales for a lazy country's fiat money.

 

[iewgnem]

Frankly, I'm getting quite pessimistic.

The U.S. has been trying to contain China economically for a while now, but with this they're outright attempting to gut China's economy and immiserate its people. I'm not saying they'll succeed - China is strong and has many options to adjust, foremost among them boosting internal consumption. But the U.S. has thrown the gauntlet and indicated that for the sake of its hegemonic position it's effectively willing to harm itself if it thinks it can harm China more.

I feel the sort of spiral we're entering usually ends in war - and I mean 'war' war, not trade war.

Yeah America is desperate, but this isn't about what they want to do to China anymore, that boat has sailed, this is actually about China's intention to gut America. The kind of export control and sanctions serve only one goal, and that is to destroy American industry.

As Beijing already said, China will fight any kind of war America picks, it's time for America to leave history, Trump is just providing the opportunity and excuse.

 

[Biscuits]

Frankly, I'm getting quite pessimistic.

The U.S. has been trying to contain China economically for a while now, but with this they're outright attempting to gut China's economy and immiserate its people. I'm not saying they'll succeed - China is strong and has many options to adjust, foremost among them boosting internal consumption. But the U.S. has thrown the gauntlet and indicated that for the sake of its hegemonic position it's effectively willing to harm itself if it thinks it can harm China more.

Everything is going well, Americans are poorer than ever while China remains unaffected wait no, 0.2% gdp growth reduced. We will make America poor again, starving like in the dust bowl or dying from disease as during covid, as they have always deserved for being aggressive to us for no reason.

The tariff pause is a surrender from Trump. He knows he cannot survive without China's trade, so now he wants China to make win win partnerships with ROW and reroute goods to US, maintaining the semblance of normalcy Trump needs to not be overthrown.

China must not accept allowing US consumers to access critical goods with low tariffs through rerouting. If Trump is scared of a total embargo, give him the total embargo.

I feel the sort of spiral we're entering usually ends in war - and I mean 'war' war, not trade war.

Then so be it, since 1945, America has expanded into China's neighborhood unprovoked. The threat must be culled.

 

[supersnoop]

So Chinese goods can continue to be exported to the US via 3rd countries for another 90 days.

Americans will be amazed at how fast Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam are able to build factories.
"They basically replaced China overnight!"
No joke, go to the reddit forum that is devoted to avoiding Chinese products, they pat themselves on the back for made in Vietnam all the time

 

[iewgnem]

They're retarded if they don't anticipate that China will wreck them hard over this.

So far China matched exactly what US did + sneaked on more add on sanctions. I'm predicting China's next move is collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists. US wanted to tease 30% tariffs on the whole world, well guess what, China will force 30% global tariff on US into reality.

Trump is about to learn he was very stupid for escalating a fight with the largest economy in the world. But this is a man that ran casinos into the ground in the past, he is impervious to learning or improving.

China never explicitly make dramatic threats, but leverage is leverage, Beijing placed export control on all countries, not just the US for a reason, and when China "suggested" Japan and Korea not become "cannon folder", it's not American cannon they're talking about.

Right now the world just got a demonstration of China saving their as, there will be those who are grateful and those who aren't, China can selectively punish and reward each until only those who are grateful remain, because everyone knows America no longer has any carrots.