Trump 2.0 official thread

[GodRektsNoobs]

In the 1960s and 70s, the Soviet Union even surpassed the United States in terms of momentum. Who could have imagined that it would collapse so quickly, just two or three decades later? If Russia didn't have a relatively long history and a dominant ethnic group, its situation would be far more dire. In comparison, what does the United States have?

Collapse of the USSR was clearly an inside job, due to a combination of inept CPSU leadership and populist outsider intent on toppling the entire system. The only way for a superpower to collapse is an out-of-control internal power struggle. In fact, as long as the elites have a firm grip on violence, the system can stay stable for a very long time. Best example of this is North Korea, whose economy and society basically hibernated for 30 years until time is finally in its favor. The opposite of this was Imperial Iran, where is Shah was too indecisive to crack down on protests with violence. Hence, as long as the US elites are united and have a firm grip on state violence, the US is expected to stay intact.

Also, even during the 70s USSR was far from surpassing the US in economic and technological spheres despite their momentum. And even when momentum is concerned USSR lagged behind Japan, which was greatly outpacing the USSR technologically (defense and aerospace industries aside).

 

[Puss in Boots]

Collapse of the USSR was clearly an inside job, due to a combination of inept CPSU leadership and populist outsider intent on toppling the entire system. The only way for a superpower to collapse is an out-of-control internal power struggle. In fact, as long as the elites have a firm grip on violence, the system can stay stable for a very long time. Best example of this is North Korea, whose economy and society basically hibernated for 30 years until time is finally in its favor. The opposite of this was Imperial Iran, where is Shah was too indecisive to crack down on protests with violence. Hence, as long as the US elites are united and have a firm grip on state violence, the US is expected to stay intact.

Also, even during the 70s USSR was far from surpassing the US in economic and technological spheres despite their momentum. And even when momentum is concerned USSR lagged behind Japan, which was greatly outpacing the USSR technologically (defense and aerospace industries aside).

If I remember correctly, after the collapse of the Bretton Woods system, the US economy experienced a decade of stagflation, while the Soviet Union earned a large amount of foreign exchange through oil exports.
I asked LLM to summarize the main factors contributing to the Soviet Union's decline:
1. Missing out on the technological revolution, resulting in a severely rigid system;
2. A distorted economic structure and a "false prosperity";
3. The solidification of privileged classes and systemic corruption;
4. The unbearable burden of the arms race.
These factors all seem to describe the current situation in the United States.

 

[Africablack]

Collapse of the USSR was clearly an inside job, due to a combination of inept CPSU leadership and populist outsider intent on toppling the entire system. The only way for a superpower to collapse is an out-of-control internal power struggle. In fact, as long as the elites have a firm grip on violence, the system can stay stable for a very long time. Best example of this is North Korea, whose economy and society basically hibernated for 30 years until time is finally in its favor. The opposite of this was Imperial Iran, where is Shah was too indecisive to crack down on protests with violence. Hence, as long as the US elites are united and have a firm grip on state violence, the US is expected to stay intact.

Also, even during the 70s USSR was far from surpassing the US in economic and technological spheres despite their momentum. And even when momentum is concerned USSR lagged behind Japan, which was greatly outpacing the USSR technologically (defense and aerospace industries aside).

The USSR lost the Cold War because its system had no hope of competing with capitalism. It went broke and so it could no longer function as a state. Using violence to quell unrest was delaying the inevitable.

 

[GodRektsNoobs]

The USSR lost the Cold War because its system had no hope of competing with capitalism. It went broke and so it could no longer function as a state. Using violence to quell unrest was delaying the inevitable.

It really depends on how you consider the term "inevitable." US has a long history of using state violence to put down unrest, especially against ethnic minorities. Tulsa Massacre being one of the most well-known. Yet it's 250 years old. Everything swept under the rug will come out eventually, but it can certainly be delayed for years, decades, or even centuries until people moved on (such as the case of Belgians in Congo and the actions of the British Empire).

Yes, USSR doesn't have much of a chance of completing with the entire US + Europe + Japan axis, but it doesn't mean collapsing after 70 years is guaranteed. Countries have suffered far worse conditions for much longer without national collapse.

 

[Wrought]

There wasn't even 1 minute of effective exchange. Bet she needed drugs after listening to 15 minutes of this:

"It was a wonderful meeting, very wonderful. Xi was a... very kind host. He took me around the... Forbidden City. You know they call it forbidden? Because only important people are allowed in. The most important people in the world, the best people really. They shouldn't call it a city though, it's not very big. My hotels are bigger, much bigger! They're the biggest hotels, and have the most beautiful rooms. Trump hotels are the biggest and most beautiful hotels in the world. Like my Big Beautiful Bill. It was big, so very big we would called it Bubba. Bubba... do you have the word Bubba in Japan? It's just a great word Bubba.... unlike the Democrats. They're not so great. They're not great at all. They keep spreading.... fake news. Fake news is all they can talk about those Democrats. It's "oh Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he's attacking Iran and he's loosing, loosing!" They only say that beacuse they lost the... 20...20... election. They stole that from me you know. The Democrats just lie and steal and spread fake news. Fake news.
- Excerpt from call between Pres. Donald J. Trump and Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi"

From Trump 2.0 official thread

And that was the part that was coherent enough for them to translate and highlight!

That was a joke. The actual conversation transcript has not been published.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

This is so pathetic

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2057165645322551463

The classic mericah memes strikes again.

"First we bomb you, then we make movies saying we felt really sorry for hurting you..."

 

[manqiangrexue]

I've spoken ill of the US for two days in a row, and I don't want you to think I'm cursing America's future.

I wish what you say were true because they very much deserve it but I don't think the US can weaken that far.

I previously cited the example of the Soviet Union; its fall should make you aware of some potential problems the US faces. For instance, the nuclear weapons you've consistently emphasized—the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal wasn't less than the US's, but that didn't prevent its disintegration.

The Soviet Union disintegrated because it wasn't providing people with a good lifestyle and it wasn't going anywhere. The nukes stayed with Russia and they guarantee that NATO cannot disintegrate Russia. The Soviet Union is a bloc, not a country. Blocs disintegrate all the time but countries hardly ever unless they are invaded and forcefully taken.

The rise of the US was essentially based on its role as a global safe haven during World War I and II, attracting global elites and capital—this is an indisputable fact. The US education system is now struggling to cultivate talent outside of finance; almost all other industries rely on immigration. If the US loses its dollar hegemony, it will lose its ability to attract talent. This will further erode its technological hegemony, followed by its military hegemony. These are all foreseeable.

Yes, but these will badly weaken the US and remove its ability to compete with China. It's not going to disintegrate and start getting picked apart by little vassal countries that have literally nothing going for them.

Regarding the issue of ethnicity, I think I didn't express myself accurately enough. What I meant was that there should be a basic consensus within a country, rather than simply emphasizing diversity. The existence of differences does not mean that these differences are correct. We cannot disregard the most basic science and ethics in order to maintain diversity.

The US is in disarray right now but they are not far from pulling themselves back together once Trump leaves and if the US can accept a far more communual role rather than a hegemonic role in the world. The US is closer and closer to accepting that it's not going to be the most powerful country for much longer and once the tantrum ends and they fully accept the new reality, they will settle down and be fine. The hatred in the country should subside too. All these crazy social problems in the US stem from the pressure cooker situation it's in now, which is being out-competed by China. Once the pressure cooker is off, people will mellow down and I think living in the US will be more pleasant as well, but not for angry people who sooth their rage from being losers in society by cheering as America bullies others as if it were a personal victory.

I'm not saying all this because I want the US to collapse, but because I believe the US should find ways to prevent this from happening. Simply denying these potential threats will not help the United States; on the contrary, it will lead the United States down a path from which there is no turning back.

Oh, we're opposite. Seeing them support Israel I believe they deserve the worst of everything but I believe that their fundamental structural build will preserve them as a country beneath China but above all others.

That was a joke. The actual conversation transcript has not been published.

See, nobody can tell. Sounds perfectly in character. This is why SNL, MAD TV, Onion are complaining about it being too hard to make parodies when Trump is in office. Nobody really knows how to be funnier than Trump when he's totally serious.

 

[Africablack]

It really depends on how you consider the term "inevitable." US has a long history of using state violence to put down unrest, especially against ethnic minorities. Tulsa Massacre being one of the most well-known. Yet it's 250 years old. Everything swept under the rug will come out eventually, but it can certainly be delayed for years, decades, or even centuries until people moved on (such as the case of Belgians in Congo and the actions of the British Empire).

Yes, USSR doesn't have much of a chance of completing with the entire US + Europe + Japan axis, but it doesn't mean collapsing after 70 years is guaranteed. Countries have suffered far worse conditions for much longer without national collapse.

The US had money and a significant chunk of its population that still believed in it. The USSR was too broke to pay its security services, too broke to maintain its empire and hold on to its periphery and much of its population became disillusioned with the system (including the ruling class) and wanted to bury its corpse. When the USSR started to decline was the late 1960s, it lasted a while longer because of oil discovery in western Siberia but after oil prices crashed in the 1980s it was the end of the road. Folks today are rewriting history about how surprising the collapse of the Soviet Union was but during Gorbachev's time it was apparent for a while that it was on its way down. The real surprise was that it happened relatively peacefully.

Looking back, building the Berlin Wall was admission of defeat. The system simply couldn't compete on its own terms so it had to build walls and turn countries into open air prisons in order to force workers to stay and draw maximum utility from them with nothing but a promise of a better tomorrow. Building walls, barriers and moats is an admission that you can't compete which is what the US is currently doing.

 

[tygyg1111]

This is so pathetic

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2057165645322551463

I didn't expect the US to come out with its own version of Galwan Heroes so soon

 

[GulfLander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2057220732401193180