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@Santamaria You bring up some interesting points, but I don’t believe the US can be saved anymore. This is no longer a young growing empire like it was during Civil War 1.0 or the Great Depression/New Deal era when recovery and reform (even revolution) were still realistically possible without disintegration.
Because we also have to consider the fundamentals of the US and that it was never even a cohesive nation to begin with not to mention today.
This is an aging empire in decline, and history shows that old empires rarely recover. Trump will only accelerate the collapse. He is not some great Caesar but a morally questionable, corrupt excessive clown and flashy self-absorbed conman, the kind of figure who often places the final nail in the coffin of failing empires historically.
You argue that the US can reform itself, regain its former internal greatness, and retain its status as a global superpower with heavy influence in its own region. But what if I told you that even these ambitions are also pure pipe dreams?
Take Canada and Greenland, for example. Did they accept integration into the US? No. Canada, perhaps the US’s most natural ally responded to American tariffs with its own, forcing the US to back down under economic pressure. And that’s without even mentioning Mexico.
Trump and his team may have believed they could still act like a mafia boss in Latin America, clinging to outdated Monroe Doctrine delusions.
But what use is a doctrine when no one respects it anymore? A doctrine only has power if others acknowledge it. I could declare that Antarctica is my personal fiefdom, but that would be pure fantasy.
Trump tried imposing tariffs on Mexico and Colombia and even threatened Brazil, but each country retaliated, and he ultimately backed down. Would that have happened when the US was truly the dominant power in the region? Not a chance.
Yes, he pressured Panama into exiting the Belt and Road Initiative, but Panama has just 4.5 million people and is only one country. Let him try that with Brazil and see what happens.
Meanwhile, people forget that some of the most anti-US governments in the world are also right in the US’s own backyard, even directly across Florida for example.
The US can't even control its continental entire southern border for example? Why doesn't the Mexican govt help protect them against cartels for example?
These Latin American countries generally now have stronger economic ties to China and BRICS than to the US, and they no longer fear America’s threats.
Sure, the US can still run intelligence interference operations and coups, but all that does is push leaders to consolidate power under nationalist sentiment, just look at how Maduro used US actions to tighten his grip on Venezuela.
The Arab Spring is another example of backfire. Nearly every US-backed or US-preferred government collapsed, and strongmen returned to power across the region. Did the US get its return on investment there?
No. Instead, the people of those countries realized the US had manipulated them, leaving their nations in chaos. The result? Decades of resentment. For the next 50 years, they will remember how the US fueled instability in their countries and betrayed their hopes for a better future.
Therefore, the CIA is no longer what it once was, reflecting the broader decline of American influence across all sectors and areas of society.
At this point, the US’s primary leverage is its air force and SEAD dominance and indiscriminate bombing capability against smaller countries, but that only works if countries don’t unite against it to isolate the US. And the more its influence fades, the more that becomes a real possibility.
Because we also have to consider the fundamentals of the US and that it was never even a cohesive nation to begin with not to mention today.
This is an aging empire in decline, and history shows that old empires rarely recover. Trump will only accelerate the collapse. He is not some great Caesar but a morally questionable, corrupt excessive clown and flashy self-absorbed conman, the kind of figure who often places the final nail in the coffin of failing empires historically.
You argue that the US can reform itself, regain its former internal greatness, and retain its status as a global superpower with heavy influence in its own region. But what if I told you that even these ambitions are also pure pipe dreams?
Take Canada and Greenland, for example. Did they accept integration into the US? No. Canada, perhaps the US’s most natural ally responded to American tariffs with its own, forcing the US to back down under economic pressure. And that’s without even mentioning Mexico.
Trump and his team may have believed they could still act like a mafia boss in Latin America, clinging to outdated Monroe Doctrine delusions.
But what use is a doctrine when no one respects it anymore? A doctrine only has power if others acknowledge it. I could declare that Antarctica is my personal fiefdom, but that would be pure fantasy.
Trump tried imposing tariffs on Mexico and Colombia and even threatened Brazil, but each country retaliated, and he ultimately backed down. Would that have happened when the US was truly the dominant power in the region? Not a chance.
Yes, he pressured Panama into exiting the Belt and Road Initiative, but Panama has just 4.5 million people and is only one country. Let him try that with Brazil and see what happens.
Meanwhile, people forget that some of the most anti-US governments in the world are also right in the US’s own backyard, even directly across Florida for example.
The US can't even control its continental entire southern border for example? Why doesn't the Mexican govt help protect them against cartels for example?
These Latin American countries generally now have stronger economic ties to China and BRICS than to the US, and they no longer fear America’s threats.
Sure, the US can still run intelligence interference operations and coups, but all that does is push leaders to consolidate power under nationalist sentiment, just look at how Maduro used US actions to tighten his grip on Venezuela.
The Arab Spring is another example of backfire. Nearly every US-backed or US-preferred government collapsed, and strongmen returned to power across the region. Did the US get its return on investment there?
No. Instead, the people of those countries realized the US had manipulated them, leaving their nations in chaos. The result? Decades of resentment. For the next 50 years, they will remember how the US fueled instability in their countries and betrayed their hopes for a better future.
Therefore, the CIA is no longer what it once was, reflecting the broader decline of American influence across all sectors and areas of society.
At this point, the US’s primary leverage is its air force and SEAD dominance and indiscriminate bombing capability against smaller countries, but that only works if countries don’t unite against it to isolate the US. And the more its influence fades, the more that becomes a real possibility.
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Agree with much of what you said. However I wouldn't count America out completely. When the USSR collapsed, people thought Russia was gone. Russia today however has managed ascend its talking points to the highest levels of power in America. Did the USSR ever get close to doing that?
What's dead is Americanism - globalist free market capitalism.
America is a big country and now is more ethnically diverse than the USSR was. They will still have a seat on the UNSC, a big military and nuclear arsenal and lots of natural resources. A leaner, smaller America still would have the potential to do what Russia has done.
There are also great demographic similarities between the US and the USSR, particularly in terms of human and social capital, arguably the most crucial factors for any nation's survival.
Both countries reached a point where only roughly 50%, and some more, of their populations, belonged to a dominant racial, ethnic, and historical identity.
Russia (USSR) managed to survive, in part, by "trimming" its demographic excess, allowing peripheral regions to gain autonomy and hence consolidate back in some form.
But what can the US do? Unlike the Soviet Union, it has no such option. Its diverse populations are deeply intertwined, living side by side in a melting pot.
This makes it far harder to navigate a peaceful decline like the USSR did, without mass civil unrest, fragmentation, and widespread casualties.
Back in the 1930s, the US still had the ability to enact meaningful reforms. The demographic picture was clearer, and political polarization had yet to be shaped by decades of tribalism and ideological entrenchment.
That shift began in the 1970s when declining standards forced new avenues to secure votes and control discourse. The elite class was also not as deeply entrenched as it is today too.
Most importantly, the US was not yet facing a rival as formidable as China breathing down its neck.
Now, long-term survival is no longer a realistic option. The US can only maintain the illusion of stability, buying itself another 5 to 10 years at best, just as the Biden administration did, acting as if it were governing in an entirely different world.
Or, it may collapse outright during Trump's presidency, as he rocks the boat too much in an attempt to change course which will ultimately fail.
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Reading of the predations of Donald J. Trump at the helm of the American empire, unburdened by intellect, ideology, or doubt, possessed only of rage, greed, animal cunning and the desire for dominance, with Elon Musk at his side as the personified expression of the conquest of the state by capital, I am led to recall Oswald Spengler's poetic prognostications about the inevitable fate of democracy in his work of soaring synthetic ambition, The Decline of the West, conceived before the Great War but published after it:
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This was clearly staged! Look at any other wound of a similar nature on the ear - that is, predominantly on cartilage tissue - and NONE of them looks healed after just a few days, not even after cosmetic surgery.
But we should stop spreading political BS here too.
Russia/USSR didn't solve that problem either. Lots of Russians found themselves outside Russia post-USSR which caused a lot of problems, see the Ukraine.
After the USSR broke up America continued breathing down Russia's neck. In Serbia knowing Russia would have to respond, then on Chechnya.
The peace dividend was largely a myth.
You're right though in that there isn't an equivalant to "Russia" in the USA, the population is much more spread out. The South will definitely split off, maybe California and the Midwest. Alaska is obviously going back to Russia. Whatever rump remains will be the new America.
I don't think you're wrong, I just think it pays to be vigilant and not make the same mistake the American deep state made with Russia. America could still be a threat even when it breaks up or not.
