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Wrought

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Word from Taiwan commentators is that Lai's 10 speeches were cancelled half way through because AIT rang up his office and told him to shut the fuck up so as to not endanger the trade talks.

Trump denied Lai a layover in NYC, so his Central-America-via-US trip was postponed.

Donald Trump’s administration has denied permission for Taiwan’s President Lai Ching-te to stop in New York en route to Central America, after China raised objections with Washington about the visit. Lai planned to transit the US in August en route to Paraguay, Guatemala and Belize, which recognise
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as a country. But the US told Lai he could not visit New York on the way, according to three people familiar with the decision.

On Monday in Taipei, Lai’s office issued a statement saying he had no plans to travel overseas in the near future because Taiwan was recovering from a recent typhoon and Taipei was in talks with the US about tariffs. The people familiar with the matter said his decision not to travel came after he had been told he would not be allowed to visit New York.

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Eventine

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Word from Taiwan commentators is that Lai's 10 speeches were cancelled half way through because AIT rang up his office and told him to shut the fuck up so as to not endanger the trade talks.
Vassals will vassal.

I do hope China doesn't misinterpret the recent US actions as anything but short term deception to gain a long term advantage.
 

jiajia99

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Vassals will vassal.

I do hope China doesn't misinterpret the recent US actions as anything but short term deception to gain a long term advantage.
Considering the last few years that China managed to have a relatively war free time whistling have record economic growth and little actual problems when compared to the US, EU and heck even Russia, I think China is not going to be stupid enough to fall the obvious. I mean Trumps one stupid quality is his inability to stop telegraphing every stupid plan openly on the news thinking China cannot understand English and then wondering where it all goes horribly wrong when it inevitability goes horribly wrong.
 

Temstar

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Vassals will vassal.

I do hope China doesn't misinterpret the recent US actions as anything but short term deception to gain a long term advantage.
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Due to the snub from Trump, Lai has cancelled his trip.
Just last night I was already hearing pan-blue commentators gloating saying "there will be consequences to this loss, just you wait Lai" and right on cue here it is. I expect much more gloating tonight on air.
 

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Due to the snub from Trump, Lai has cancelled his trip.
Just last night I was already hearing pan-blue commentators gloating saying "there will be consequences to this loss, just you wait Lai" and right on cue here it is. I expect much more gloating tonight on air.

Trump is
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against China because he thinks "playing nice" will lull the People's Republic into a trade deal that'll make him look good domestically.

Simultaneously, Trump just shortened his
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"peace or secondary sanctions" ultimatum against Russia to 10-12 days, even though we all know that such threats of secondary sanctions against Moscow are in fact principally aimed at Beijing:


The emergence of this relatively full complement of visible carrots and sticks — on top of everything else that is presumably on the table — means Trump is eager, if not desperate for a deal, if not deals.

However, what will happen if Trump doesn't get a trade deal with China or a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine anytime soon, be it in 10-12 days,
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, or somewhere in between?

Trump is known for
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when negotiating, so there's a not unreasonable chance Trump will pull a 180 on the Taiwan issue should Xi "
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" him as Putin has.
 

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Trump is known for
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when negotiating, so there's a not unreasonable chance Trump will pull a 180 on the Taiwan issue should Xi "
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" him as Putin has.
Well if he does that then one would hope he has a lot of rare earth saved up by then, because if he doesn't...

Anyway here comes pan-blue flexing on Lai's loss:

They bring up an interesting point: currently Americans are assessing the result of this year's Han Kuang, once they come to a conclusion their response will give insight into how they feel. If Trump doesn't like what he sees or if he's still trying to create the right conditions for trade talk there may still be more snubs to come.
 
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Trump is
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and
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against China because he thinks "playing nice" will lull the People's Republic into a trade deal that'll make him look good domestically.

Simultaneously, Trump just shortened his
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"peace or secondary sanctions" ultimatum against Russia to 10-12 days, even though we all know that such threats of secondary sanctions against Moscow are in fact principally aimed at Beijing:


The emergence of this relatively full complement of visible carrots and sticks — on top of everything else that is presumably on the table — means Trump is eager, if not desperate for a deal, if not deals.

However, what will happen if Trump doesn't get a trade deal with China or a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine anytime soon, be it in 10-12 days,
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, or somewhere in between?

Trump is known for
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when negotiating, so there's a not unreasonable chance Trump will pull a 180 on the Taiwan issue should Xi "
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" him as Putin has.
US can play all the games it wants but in reality, they are screwed
 

zyklon

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Well if he does that then one would hope he has a lot of rare earth saved up by then, because if he doesn't...

Good thing for Trump that despite his many ventures into everything from steaks and fragrances to airlines and casinos, he has yet to enter aerospace, automotive or defense manufacturing, or at least to the best of our knowledge.

TBH, between Trump's synchronized lines of effort pushing for a trade deal with China, as well as a Russo-Ukrainian ceasefire by way of China, on top of his 'slip' concerning
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There's a not insignificant chance that Trump is aiming for a "grand bargain" with Beijing.

Not necessarily a bad idea, if at all, but hard to achieve, and even harder to implement and consummate.

Anyway here comes pan-blue flexing on Lai's loss:

They bring up an interesting point: currently Americans are assessing the result of this year's Han Kuang, once they come to a conclusion their response will give insight into how they feel.

What's the timestamp for their discussion on Han Kuang 41?

Not trying to get ahead of ourselves, but the DoD's assessment of this year's Han Kuang exercise will have a negligible impact on the Trump administration's approach toward Taiwan. It's just too insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

If the DPP led regime in Taipei really wants to convince Trump that they're "worth saving," they'll need to do something drastic and dramatic like
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, and even that might not cut it.

 
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