Trump 2.0 official thread

[RedBaron]

When Trump was elected, another SDF poster expressed fear of China going "full eunuch" during his term. I scoffed at the idea at the time, but it looks like their fear was entirely justified.

I was under impression that decreasing number of Chinese students attending American universities was a positive development. I am not sure why Chinese leadership is trying to reverse this trend. If this is the major "concession" that China is getting out of this deal, then I really don't know what to say.

 

[enroger]

Guys calm down, can't you see what's really important is what he not say?
He is just playing the 'I'm a tough hard businessman, this is ArT 0f dEA1' bullshit to his MAGAtard fellow to fufill the MAGA narrative. It just a word game.
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Wanna guess how much information is hidden behind this word?

Even this is giving too much credence to Trump's tweet. What turned an "Agreement to a framework" to a "Done deal" within 24 hours?

Edit: If the tweet turns out to be true I will call it as China kneeling and call into questions CPC's competence

 

[AlexYe]

I don't think it's the liberal elite problem but the corrupt communist party elite problem who are still trying setup their family to live in the US with money gained from corruption.

This is such cliche thing that happens all over the world, Indian elites that got money? move to europe/west, send kids, basically live outside. Pakistan?same. China? similarish. Japan-south korea had their waves of it too.

IMO, from my experience most elites still would want to send their children to either the UK or the US even right now. However with recent events I have a few friends who's parents might consider sending them to the UK instead. Personally speaking I'd say education aboard still has it's advantages tbf.

No doubt there are benefits that comes from more widerspectrum/variety of intelligent people, not saying there is no point.
But i have seen more people use it as a 'status' thing (my kid went to this/I studied this) and very people actually DO something worthwhile with education/degree

Even this is giving too much credence to Trump's tweet. What turned an "Agreement to a framework" to a "Done deal" within 24 hours?

Edit: If the tweet turns out to be true I will call it as China kneeling and call into questions CPC's competence

Trump does lie/boast alot for their MAGA type victories, so they can say 'They did a good deal china, they gave up etc etc'
Thats true, best to wait till actual official details come out from both sides and corroborate

 

[Enestori]

Remember when Trump announced his great deal to buy TikTok for $10 billion?
Remember when Trump announced his great deal to buy those Panama ports for free?
Remember when Trump announced his great deal to end the war in Ukraine on day one of his presidency?

China didn't sell TikTok and the Panama ports weren't sold. We also see China putting together a large-scale campaign to crack down on rare earth smuggling.

This is wishful talking by Trump and nothing else.

Having said that, Trump does deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the war in Ukraine on January 20th, 2025.

 

[AlexYe]

It be funny to see if the rare-earth stuff goes through but ONLY for civilian use , no need to help develop your competitor forces that they 100% want to use on you in the future.

Remember when Trump announced his great deal to buy TikTok for $10 billion?
Remember when Trump announced his great deal to buy those Panama ports for free?
Remember when Trump announced his great deal to end the war in Ukraine on day one of his presidency?

China didn't sell TikTok, the Panama ports weren't sold, and the war in Ukraine continues.

We also see China putting together a large-scale campaign to crack down on rare earth smuggling.

This is wishful talking by Trump and nothing else.

Very true

 

[Michael90]

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If this proves to be true then I guess China fell for the trick as I said before. Or they thought it would be more detrimental to them to go against the USA on this trade war, hence the need to descalate and get things back to normal, which is a good thing.
HOWEVER, the only worry is that the US will eventually go back to sanctions again, as China grows its economic power and move up the value chain. So it has become imparative for the US to slow or stop the country's rise. So I believe more sanctions will eventually be put on China in future. There's no going back from this.

 

[GOODTREE]

Until now, there has been no explicit mention in any official Chinese media of any deal having been struck. At the moment, the official description of this event is:

Chinese vice premier urges U.S. to resolve trade disputes with China through dialogue, cooperation​

Source: Xinhua
Editor: huaxia
2025-06-11 17:44:00

LONDON, June 11 (Xinhua) -- The United States should resolve trade disputes with China through equal dialogue and mutually beneficial cooperation, Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng has said.

China reiterates that the United States should work with China to honor their words with actions, and demonstrate sincerity in keeping commitments and concrete efforts to implement consensus, so as to jointly safeguard the hard-won outcomes of dialogue, He said.
He made the remarks during the first meeting of the China-U.S. economic and trade consultation mechanism held in London from Monday to Tuesday with U.S. lead person Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer.

During the talks, the two sides held candid and in-depth talks, and thoroughly exchanged views on economic and trade issues of mutual concern.
The two sides reached principled agreement on implementing the important consensus reached by the two heads of state during their phone call on June 5 and the framework of measures to consolidate the outcomes of the economic and trade talks in Geneva, and made new progress in addressing each other's economic and trade concerns.

Calling the meeting an important consultation held under the guidance of the strategic consensus reached by the two heads of state on June 5, He said that China's position on China-U.S. economic and trade issues is clear and consistent.

Noting that the essence of China-U.S. economic and trade relations lies in mutual benefit and win-win cooperation, the vice premier said cooperation between China and the United States in the economic and trade field benefits both sides, while confrontation harms both.

There are no winners in trade wars, He said, adding that China does not seek conflict but will not be intimidated by one.
He urged the United States to resolve trade disputes with China through equal dialogue and mutually beneficial cooperation, adding that while China is sincere in pursuing economic and trade consultations, it also has its principles.

Next, the two sides should, in accordance with the important consensus and requirements reached by the two heads of state during their phone call, make better use of the China-U.S. economic and trade consultation mechanism, and work to enhance consensus, reduce misunderstanding and strengthen cooperation, He said.

The two sides should maintain communication and consultation, and promote the steady and sustained growth of China-U.S. economic and trade relations, so as to inject more certainty and stability into the world economy, He added.

The U.S. side said that the meeting had achieved positive outcomes and further stabilized bilateral economic and trade relations, adding that the U.S. side would walk in the same direction as China in accordance with the requirements of the phone call between the two heads of state to jointly implement the consensus reached at this meeting.

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[Michael90]

If what Trumps says is true (doubt), I so fking hate China's liberal elites, they kneeled so for a possibility of their children continued study at Ivy league, which now is only benefiicial to the USA.

Let's be honest, will you prioritise your children's interests /welfare or that of "your country"? Honestly speaking vast majority of humans on earth will pick their children over anything else. So let's be realistic. The solution here is for China to open up even more and build her university to world standards and make the country as attractive to people around the world(Chinese thesnkeves included) like the US. That will necessitate some reforms as well, which is often harder to achieve than most people think.
So complaining about elites and wealthy sending their children to the US for education and life won't change anything. So the focus should be on doing what you can to change the situation first, not winning or complaining which doesn't change anything in practice.

 

[SanWenYu]

I don't think it's the liberal elite problem but the corrupt communist party elite problem who are still trying setup their family to live in the US with money gained from corruption.

You jumped from an unverified trade deal claim by Trump immediately to "corrupt communist party elite problem". Are you aware how many dots you are missing in between? Or are you just trying to use the opportunity to bash and smear?

 

[jshw31]

Studying in other countries can bring a decent sized net benefit to China. Although China wants to expand the number of universities to accommodate as many students as possible, at the end of the day this is a slow process, and human capital is the main constraint. If there are more talented students than spots available in China, having a portion study abroad will still increase the overall talent pool of China, with ~80+ % of students returning. The opportunity cost in lost fees/monetary is not substantial in the scheme of things.