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Lethe

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People are cheering the collapse of the US too early. The imperial core might be in trouble, but the fact is, the US still has a lot of power, influence, and control around the world. Trump is just more willing to make use of that power than Biden was - he's the sort of president to abuse it to the limits.

Of course, whether any of this can save the US empire is a different story, but whatever the result, Trump 2.0 is going all out.

For all its crimes and follies, the American empire has been so successful because it internalised the lessons of the European colonial powers and built alternative models of indirect persuasion and coercion that achieved the same ends without generating nearly the same levels of local opposition. The American hegemonic structure was enabled by that nation's unprecedented economic power and leverage emerging from the Second World War, but was not guaranteed by that leverage, which could easily have been frittered away in more reckless hands. The nakedly coercive and transactional approach of Donald Trump, prompted by his anxiety about the gradual decline of American hegemony, will only accelerate the decline of that hegemony.

In the short-term, Trump can arm-twist Panama, Denmark, and other vassalized nations about a great many things and gloat in his success. In the background, the elites in those nations and many others watching on will be making plans to secure their interests against further coercion. Donald Trump's threats towards BRICS countries about an alternative to the US dollar are a case in point. Every threat he utters only further highlights the need for BRICS nations to reduce their exposure to the whims of the United States. One of the great paradoxes of power is that you have to be careful how you use it, because each action has an equal and opposite reaction. Or as renowned philosopher Princess Leia put it: "the more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Beijing has had its own experience with this in the largely unsuccessful deployment of so-called "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy that now appears to be in decline -- a learning curve that Trump is almost certainly incapable of emulating.
 
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coolgod

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Beijing has had its own experience with this in the largely unsuccessful deployment of so-called "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy that now appears to be in decline -- a learning curve that Trump is almost certainly incapable of emulating.
WTF? You know wolf warrior diplomacy is a made up propaganda term meant to smear China right? If anything China's diplomacy has only gotten more hawkish than before.
 

RedBaron

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WTF? You know wolf warrior diplomacy is a made up propaganda term meant to smear China right? If anything China's diplomacy has only gotten more hawkish than before.
Nikki Haley was literally threatening countries at the UN by saying that "US will be “taking names” of the countries that vote in favor of a resolution that condemns the Trump administration’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel", but somehow China is the one conducting so called "wolf warrior diplomacy" ...
 

W20

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"One of the great paradoxes of power is that you have to be careful how you use it, because each action has an equal and opposite reaction. Or as renowned philosopher Princess Leia put it: "the more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.""

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Yes

Exactly the same thing that is read in the epilogue of this book:

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W20

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The last version of The West Empire

The Empire, the last version of the West Roman Empire, has gone through four phases

A) the Wall Street wars (1846-) very well summarized in the little book "War is a racket"

It is difficult or impossible to put a closing date because it is entangled with the colossal crisis of the British empire and the last 'end of the world' (1914-1949)

History repeated itself

Roman Empire 1.0: Rome
Big Crisis (250-300)
Roman Empire 2.0: Constantinople

Anglo Empire 1.0: London
Big Crisis (1914-1949)
Anglo Empire 2.0: Washington

B) Adolf 2's wars: the war against the communists (1945-1991)

Adolf threw in the towel in his war against the communist and Washington continued where Adolf left off

C) the Ziocon wars (1991-2021)

D) the final Delirium (2021-2049) (?)
 

RedBaron

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People are cheering the collapse of the US too early. The imperial core might be in trouble, but the fact is, the US still has a lot of power, influence, and control around the world. Trump is just more willing to make use of that power than Biden was - he's the sort of president to abuse it to the limits.

I am likewise hesitant to fully count US out. Bismarck's quote "God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and America" is always at the back of my mind.

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I forgot Vance existed tbh

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