Trump 2.0 official thread

grulle

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Trump thinks the tariffs will hurt china a lot. But most chinese exports to the USA are ordered and imported by American companies. They are designed in USA but manufactured in china. So it's mostly American companies that are paying the tariff. Then this gets passed down to American consumers. So it is America that will be in a lot of pain in the end.
 

iewgnem

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Apparently China not hiking tariffs after 125 percent is considered good news now. Grasping at straws there…
I mean, you should look at the bond market.
Rationally 125% makes no material difference from 84%, so no reason for market to crash, especially with half the market looking at bonds and expecting Trump to fold.

The fact that US market, bonds and USD index are all dropping while gold is surging is a far more interesting thing than just US markets rn.
 

lych470

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You still haven’t shifted your mindset – the real issue is that the U.S.-designed economic circulatory system (the rule-based order) has already collapsed. It’s proven irreparable.

This means America can no longer distribute benefits ("share the cake") to allies – instead, it now demands allies to act as blood supplies for itself. The dollar’s hegemony is unsustainable, and a debt default is imminent this year.

U.S. consumption capacity – currently around $4 trillion annually – will rapidly decline, potentially halving. Whether China participates in this U.S.-centric economic cycle or not, America’s collapse is inevitable. Without China’s role, U.S. self-rescue becomes impossible.

Even if all U.S. allies become blood slaves, it would only prolong America’s survival by a few years. China’s strategy is to build a new economic cycle outside U.S. dominance. Unlike America’s zero-sum approach, China would allow the U.S. to join this new system once it admits its failures – not seeking America’s destruction.

America’s core goal isn’t to destroy China, but to force China back into being its primary blood supply. Without China’s compliance (as a non-tech, deindustrialized vassal), other "blood slaves" can’t save the U.S. system. Only if China willingly resumes its old role – suppressing high-tech development and accepting incomplete industrialization – could the obsolete order temporarily revive.

Strategic Contrast:
U.S. demand: Return to pre-2010 asymmetry (China as low-end manufacturer, U.S. controlling tech/finance)
China’s reality: Now leads in 37 of 44 critical industrial sectors (MIT 2023 tech dominance index)
Historical parallel: Similar to Britain’s 19th-century "Imperial Preference" system collapse – clinging to extractive models accelerates terminal decline.


Do you finally understand? China isn’t afraid of the TPP or America’s so-called "global containment" strategy. Here’s why: both America and the rest of the world need to survive. When the entire economic pie shrinks and America can no longer hand out benefits, all alliances and partnerships will disintegrate.

The U.S. cannot sustain its alliances once it loses the capacity to share spoils. China’s confidence stems from this inevitability – no coalition built on coercion or desperation lasts when the underlying system (the U.S.-led economic order) is already in free fall.

Key Context:
TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership): Originally a U.S.-led trade bloc to isolate China, now irrelevant as China joined the CPTPP (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for TPP) in 2023.
Alliance fragility: Similar to the collapse of the British Sterling Area in the 1970s – when London could no longer subsidize its Commonwealth partners, the system unraveled.
China’s calculus: Focuses on building parallel systems (e.g., BRICS+, digital yuan) rather than fighting over a dying order.

Just a correction - China has submitted its intention to join the CPTPP but is not yet accepted.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Trump surrounds himself with grifters, crackpots, Yes Men and anyone who kiss his rear end. So yeah what could possibly go wrong with His decision making and judgment. Trump is basically using the gun boat diplomacy in the 21st Century. He is using the mafia tactic to coerce Nations into complying to His every whim.

This version of Trump is a lot more scarier than the first, because He removed all the people who corrected Him during his first tenure as the President. Right now you are seeing Trump and His decision making process in full unadulterated, unedited, uncensored and raw mode. Be afraid be very afraid!

To quote Rex Tillerson, "Trump is a Moron!".

Then again, Congress can put a stop to Trump's madness but they won't the hate for China is bipartisan.

So much for all the years when Westoid media claimed that "muh President Xi filled the Politburo with Yes Men, muh Xi is tyrannical dictator".

Love how the boomerang works.
 
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