Trump 2.0 official thread

Ringsword

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The amount of vitriol from MAGA against China the last few days on social media shows there is a real hatred for China. Americans on both the left and right have been brainwashed to hate China because they aren’t white and are communist. I live here and it’s wild. It wouldn’t take much to convince this blood thirsty populace to support a war with China. Their tune will change fast when they suffer casualties they haven’t experienced since the Korean War.
No ,not Korea against China with at least 10 other :allied countries" with total air superiority and total naval supremacy-now their casualties will be much,much higher with something not dreamt of before save for the First ColdWar-the attack on their homelands.Hope it never happpens
 

Sinnavuuty

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Decades ago, China did not have the skilled labor force, the technology, or the infrastructure to make such a transition. Selling to the US enabled it to buy / transfer technology, train up its work force, and build infrastructure.

Also, China is ultimately a resource poor country, particularly in farm land (where it just has 8% of the world's farm land vs. 20% of the population two decades ago) and oil (which was much more important two decades ago than today).

Without exporting to the US, it would've been much harder for China to develop since the global resources (and technologies) trade was in dollars. We should not pretend otherwise. China doesn't exist in a vacuum - it has had to compete with other developing countries like India, Indonesia, Brazil, etc. for investments and trade. If those countries sold to the US but China didn't, they would've had a huge advantage in the catch up race and may have displaced China in the manufacturing competition.
I gave a period of leveraging Chinese production for the domestic market 10 years ago, not two decades ago. In 2015, it was already possible to redirect production to serve the expanding domestic market. What happened is that production for export was intensified even more in those 10 years, although with the increase in the Chinese standard of living during that same period, it could have been even greater if there had been a greater orientation for industries to serve the domestic market. This did not happen for several reasons, including exchange rate, with all the reasons aligned directly or indirectly because of the export sector.
 

zscstephen

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AssassinsMace

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Trump wants other countries to lower their tariffs and buy more U.S. products. That’s pretty much what’s going to happen with majority of the countries coming to negotiate. Win. US lost nothing.

Trump wants to make “bespoke” deals with each country. Let’s just wait and see.
No win because most of those products are made overseas which Trump just tariffed. MAGA says US manufacturing has been destroyed by outsourcing. How many years until you get those factories running? Then you blindly forget most of those products are available overseas for the world to buy from not the US which will always costs more made by an American.
 
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Biscuits

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No win because most of those products are made overseas which Trump just tariffed. MAGA says US manufacturing has been destroyed by outsourcing. How many years until you get those factories running? Then you blindly forget most of those products are available overseas for the world to buy from not the US which will always costs more made by an American.
The crucial thing is that it's only for 90 days, even if Beijing wouldn't just stop them for geopolitical reasons, nobody in China can move an even somewhat valuable factory into a third world country in such short amount of time.

Hence the products and profits remain Chinese, there will just be a small shipping area set in some random third world country to dip the products for the US market specifically. And the rest 85% of China's trade just continues as normal.
 

AssassinsMace

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There’s a reason why MAGA lives in their mothers’ basements. They think if they go to war with China, the world will go to war with China with them. Which means they also think the world is going to put up the same trade barriers to China. So does that mean every country is going to build a factory to make every product themselves like the US wants. No they’re going to buy them from someone else and that ain’t going to be the US where it’s going to cost the most. Trump even says he wants everyone to buy everything from the US. That ain’t going to happen because again it’ll be the most expensive one out there when China can still make them cheaper.

Let’s not forget the US got all of the West to ban Huawei… And it’s making more money than ever now without them. How can that be? Because China is its own continent sized market and selling to the rest of the world. Dumb Americans think their money is the only real money worth its paper and that’s why they don’t see that. They think a US hundred dollar bill is actually worth a hundred dollars while everyone else’s money is only just paper. Money is just a contract, an understanding that it’s worth this value only if the issuer upholds that contract. So it comes down to who do you trust? Trump has threatened to not to pay a dollar for every dollar borrowed in US treasuries and bonds. Can you trust the dollar’s value from someone who just threatens that? Look at how Trump paused his tariffs just because of a sell off in US bonds and treasuries. That simple little thing can wipe out one’s economy. Why did Trump threaten that? Because as usual Americans didn’t see the other side at that moment. They lusted over making that threat because they only saw the benefit for only themselves and how powerful they are and not the consequences. That’s why Trump is erratic on his tariffs policies because he doesn’t think it through. And what’s it’s costing? People are predicting a recession is still coming and maybe even more now despite any reversal because of the turmoil Trump has created.
 
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