Trump 2.0 official thread

nativechicken

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The tariffs on China are probably going to stay no matter what. You can have a Democrat be President next election cycle and they’ll keep Trump’s tariffs just like Biden did. So all this talk about China insulating itself for Trump 2.0 better have included no economic relations to the least.

Like I’ve said before, the Western mindset needs to be in control of everything so don’t believe the US can think they can act like China doesn’t exist. No it exists and they need to control China because it exists. Think about North Korea where Americans were laughing that they were the most backward and isolated country in the world… and yet North Korea so occupied space in their brains rent free even before they got nukes. That’s how much Westerners need to be literally in control of everything. The place where they wish China to be will be far worst in their nightmares than North Korea. It will be the itch they can’t scratch that drive them insane. And that’s the worst case scenario short of nuclear war.

The big one that knots their undies in a bunch is China just existing proves Christianity is a lie. The only way they can correct that is taking over China and rewriting Chinese history. They can't do anything about it without bothering with the Chinese. So don't worry that the US will lead the world in leaving China behind.
Haven't you figured out what's happening yet? The so-called rule-based system designed by the U.S. after World War II has completely collapsed due to debt problems. This system essentially allowed the U.S. to suck the global economy's blood to sustain itself – Europe and Asia were just major blood supply sources for America.

(I won't go into detailed economic explanations here.)

This system originally operated perfectly. If the U.S. hadn't made stupid mistakes, it could have lasted another 100 years or more (counting from now). It took 15-20 years to establish this system after the collapse of the Bretton Woods system.

However, America made two critical errors – neither related to China, which was actually part of this blood-supply system:

First mistake: Excessive consumption of U.S. hegemony. After the Cold War, America kept waging geopolitical wars and stirring regional divisions. This eroded its hegemonic power – exactly why China has no interest in霸权 (with 5,000 years of history, China's seen too many empires die from this mentality). Hegemony only shortens an empire's lifespan.

U.S. hegemony (since the 1950s) should have lasted at least 200 years, but now it's failing after just 75.

Second mistake: Wealth distribution failure. Through its global economic colonization system, America captured most profits from global trade – even from Chinese exports. Chinese products sold to U.S. traders at 3-30% markup, then resold to consumers at 2-10X higher prices. While America and China both benefited from globalization, America's internal distribution system failed to share these gains.

If America had followed Europe's welfare model for lower classes, social pressure would be smaller. Europe's current problems stem from blindly following U.S. wars (Middle East/Ukraine), causing refugee crises and energy disruptions. Pre-2010 Europe showed better social stability and welfare when it focused surplus on social programs.

These two mistakes caused U.S. national debt to balloon to unsustainable levels.

The tariff war marks the collapse of the U.S.-led order. This system relied on:

U.S. consumption/dollar exports
Global dollar dependency
Capital control through globalization
Dollar overissuance (collecting seigniorage)
Regular wealth harvesting via dollar tides
Even this parasitic system can't sustain America anymore.

Current debt crisis:

The U.S. needs to cover $9 trillion in new Treasury bonds this year
10-year bond yields at 4.5% with few buyers
Technical default likely within months
Trump's 10% tariff (400Bfrom4T imports) aims to pay interest on previous debts
Demanding China alone cover $250B is unrealistic
The proposed "Haihu Manor Agreement" (100-year zero-interest non-tradable bonds) is essentially financial slavery – requiring bondholders to pay interest TO the Fed when needing liquidity. With dollar depreciation, 100futurevaluemightequal1 today. No nation (including China) would accept this.

China's position:

Accounts for 30% of global industrial output
Losing 30% of global supply would cause worldwide price surges
Trade decoupling won't fundamentally hurt China
U.S. threats to isolate China through allies/tariffs are empty – global reliance on Chinese manufacturing is irreversible
America wants war? Then let it come. China's industrial dominance provides unshakable confidence.
 

Mt1701d

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I think (speculation) the dumper is China. There are inaccuracy in this video. At the end, the person stated China as the largest foreign holder of US treasuries. actually, not true, number one is Japan at 1 trillion, China is ranked number 2 at 760b.

I am interpreting between the lines here: someone dumped US bond (probably the fed reserves and fed cabinet would know), and no one want US bond, so they need to issue higher interest rate to attract buyers. if this is actually the case, and the tariff essentially made US fed realized, no one actually want US bond, and past bond holders were forced to buy USD bonds (because there was no better alternative for their USD). If trump actually stick to the tariff, USA is actually the one with a bad hand, because everyone else can pretty much go "no, we dont want your bond, give us back the principle in cash" then US fed is essentially screwed, because the alternative is default, and sending their credit to the bottom, and interest rate through the roof, watch as USD essentially become worthless overnight (like the german marks).

also notice how the guy emphysised on the "success of bond auction" well, i think it is a fake title, since the yield is hitting record high, this contradict the "success"

here is my source "After the auction, the 10-year yield was last at 4.38% , down from 4.466% just before the 1300 EDT auction. That said, the 10-year has risen sharply this week by 37 basis points, on track for its largest weekly gain since June 2013." (
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so essentially, 10 year bond yield went from 4.096 to 4.466, up 37 basis point due to the over night dumping. and when the auction came, it only recovered 8 basis point, so it is still up 29 basis point.
Just out of interest, there was some talk about hedge funds having to dump treasuries to cover margin calls, would that have been large enough to move the bond yields? Or would there be no way and only a national entity be able to dump enough to cause yield movement?
 

nativechicken

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Just out of interest, there was some talk about hedge funds having to dump treasuries to cover margin calls, would that have been large enough to move the bond yields? Or would there be no way and only a national entity be able to dump enough to cause yield movement?
Translation:
Hedge funds require covering positions and margin calls only when using leverage for short selling.

China's national funds hold U.S. Treasuries at this scale, which cannot be sold in the short term without incurring massive losses. China's economic and political principles prioritize avoiding drastic value fluctuations, as such volatility is meaningless and counterproductive to preserving asset value.

Given the scale of China's foreign trade transactions, it must hold at least $500 billion in U.S. Treasuries. Therefore, dumping U.S. Treasuries makes no sense unless China and the U.S. go to war – such actions would only create temporary volatility (prices would eventually rebound). Instead, China needs to gradually reduce its holdings while maintaining value stability, rather than abruptly selling off.
 

BillRamengod

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Guy from weibo @ArsElectronica made a list of Trump's doing.
LMFAO :p

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Matters; Specific Actions; Follow-up Situations
Russia-Ukraine Ceasefire Promise; Claimed to end in 24 hours; Pretended nothing happened
Threatening Russia; Imposed additional tariffs; Failed to consider that tariffs require trade as a prerequisite
Extorting Ukraine; Attempted to sign an outrageous mineral agreement; Became an international joke
Threatening Ukraine; Cut off aid to Ukraine; Pretended nothing happened a week later
Threatening Canada; Announced 25% additional tariffs; Announced a delay and then pretended nothing happened
Threatening Mexico; Announced 25% additional tariffs; Announced a delay and then pretended nothing happened
Small Parcels to China; Imposed tariffs; Withdrawn half a day later, still under "study"
Forced "Purchase" of TikTok; Attempted zero-dollar acquisition; 90-day "grace period" extended by 75 days, now in a stalemate
Abolishing Birthright Citizenship; Resisted by over 20 states; Pretended nothing happened
Border Emergency; Attempted to deploy troops to block illegal immigrants; Made a perfunctory effort and pretended nothing happened
Musk Efficiency Department; Streamlined agencies with massive layoffs; Dismantled some redundant agencies, faced backlash, and then dropped the plan
Electric Vehicle Policy; Revoked subsidies from the Biden administration; Ignored by most states, pretended nothing happened
Federal Funding Freeze; Medical assistance system collapsed; "If you want to save money, I'll help you kill people," pretended nothing happened
Withdrawing from the Paris Agreement; Faced boycotts; Pretended nothing happened
Withdrawing from the WHO; Faced boycotts; Pretended nothing happened
Comprehensive Tariff War; Used an Excel sheet to threaten; Except for China, uniformly postponed for 90 days
 

Mt1701d

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Translation:
Hedge funds require covering positions and margin calls only when using leverage for short selling.

China's national funds hold U.S. Treasuries at this scale, which cannot be sold in the short term without incurring massive losses. China's economic and political principles prioritize avoiding drastic value fluctuations, as such volatility is meaningless and counterproductive to preserving asset value.

Given the scale of China's foreign trade transactions, it must hold at least $500 billion in U.S. Treasuries. Therefore, dumping U.S. Treasuries makes no sense unless China and the U.S. go to war – such actions would only create temporary volatility (prices would eventually rebound). Instead, China needs to gradually reduce its holdings while maintaining value stability, rather than abruptly selling off.
So if we presume the recent dumping of treasuries is a Chinese move then would that mean they saw an opportunity to reduce holdings? Or was it a move targeted regardless of potential losses?
 

SteelBird

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Based on what he said, I think Trump is more like an monarchy rather than a president. 顺我者昌,逆我者亡。
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