Treating Casualties of a Nerve Agent

in relation to the post right above I've now checked two pictures of me taken on the same day and
"similarity" is 96% and they're "from the same person", fortunately LOL!

Sep 26, 2018

Jura said:

Sep 13, 2018
and
Skripal 'hitman' unmasked as GRU colonel awarded Russia's highest military honour by Vladimir Putin

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Skripal Suspect Boshirov Identified as GRU Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga

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at first glance it looks like ГРУ has a problem

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now
Second Skripal Poisoning Suspect Identified as Dr. Alexander Mishkin

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Yesterday at 10:11 PM

Jura said:

Sep 26, 2018now
Second Skripal Poisoning Suspect Identified as Dr. Alexander Mishkin

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and
Identity of second Skripal hitman 'is to be revealed in UK Parliament meeting next week'

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• Investigative website has already unmasked one of the men sent to Salisbury
• They plan to name the second man, who travelled to UK as 'Alexander Petrov'
• A meeting has been arranged in Parliament next Tuesday for the announcement

so gazeta.ru is following the events as I write:
Он не новичок: Британия разоблачает «отравителя» Скрипалей. LIVE

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Today at 12:38 PM

Jura said:

Yesterday at 10:11 PMand
Identity of second Skripal hitman 'is to be revealed in UK Parliament meeting next week'

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• Investigative website has already unmasked one of the men sent to Salisbury
• They plan to name the second man, who travelled to UK as 'Alexander Petrov'
• A meeting has been arranged in Parliament next Tuesday for the announcement

so gazeta.ru is following the events as I write:
Он не новичок: Британия разоблачает «отравителя» Скрипалей. LIVE

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now noticed this coverage:
Salisbury attack - live updates: Second novichok suspect Dr Alexander Mishkin was 'awarded hero of the Russian Federation'

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Sep 26, 2018

Jura said:

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at first glance it looks like ГРУ has a problem

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It's also interesting how relatives of these people keep disappearing, especially after they give interviews to the press saying "yes, of course I know him - the family is very proud of his military service", etc.

Given that these relatives were unlikely to know these men were going to be involved in an espionage mission, why would they have known to lie to the press? It's incredibly callous to punish people for just telling the truth about something that was no doubt not a secret, until the Russian authorities decided to classify that information and not tell anyone.

The whole operation, quite apart from being despicable, was poorly conceived and incompetently carried out, really - that's but one on a long list of failures.

SampanViking said:

Now here is an interesting thought.
A number of passers by/eye witnesses from the day of the incident have all spoken about passing the Skripals and seeing what simply looked like another "totally spaced out couple" probably on Crack or Spice. Sadly such sights are hardly uncommon in the UK these days, even in the leafy, comfy Cathedral Towns of Middle England. Normally people in this state get left for many hours, before Police come to investigate
So this brings us back to basic questions.
If the Skripals showed all the common symptoms of everyday drug abuse and it took the authorities over two days to identify the poison, how did they manage to attract emergency services so quickly and how did they survive the first couple of days before the notion of nerve agent was explored?

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I know this is an old post and since then it's become more politics and investigative but I just spotted this and feel an answer is needed.

This answer is dose.
The assumption made is that they should have died right there and then. No.
The assumption from the media often based off pop culture and misinformation to down right disinformation is that when the victims opened the container it was like a cloud of invisible death. Like the Grimm reaper every step left only wilted and dead.
No.
First there is no such thing as "nerve gas" it's a liquid or powder.
Second it's a question of exposure and persistence.
Small exposure and short persistence can mean survival.
Military chemical weapons tend to come in two modes long persistence weapons are those intended to permanently remove a location from use by the enemy.
Short persistence is for a quick clearing operation. It removes the enemy from a location to allow that location to be seized.

Next is of course dosing and even full chemical protective suits like those issues to soldiers allows a trace amount of exposure. Because the suits don't totally block the environment they filter exposure though a material like charcoal. Eventually though the filter will fill up and stop working. Or can be over whelmed by the amount of exposure.
Even if a lethal dose it can take time to die.
In 1987 one of the Soviet scientist involved in Novchuk was exposed to is creation though a faulty protective mask. He lived on until 1993. For Six hellish years he lived as the compound slowly killed him.

Sep 26, 2018

Jura said:

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at first glance it looks like ГРУ has a problem

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related:
Counter Terrorism Police continue appeal over Salisbury suspects

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• Nov 22, 2018 21:20 GMT

[Images: Alexander Petrov and RusIan Boshirov]
Detectives investigating the Salisbury and Amesbury nerve agent incidents are releasing moving footage of the two suspects as they continue to appeal for information from the public.
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