Trade War with China

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s002wjh

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Xi must be laughing his ass off at this. He's been trying so hard to stop China's brain drain, and now the US goes and does it for him.
I know I don't know what trump is thinking most of these R&D are using grad students which mostly come from China and India
Most these students prefer find a job in US after graduation and eventually green card . Now trump push these talents back to their home countries
 

Hendrik_2000

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With this policy Trumpf make China strong

All aboard! China calls on overseas returnees to seize opportunities amid nations opening up efforts
By Jiang Jie (
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Chinese overseas returnees, who have made great contribution to the nation’s groundbreaking reform and opening up, are welcoming a new era when innovation and entrepreneurship are further encouraged.

Addressing a Tuesday conference on overseas returnees and reform and opening up, Wan Gang, vice chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, said overseas returnees, including himself, are essential to pioneer China’s reform and opening up with their entrepreneurship and innovation skills, which provide momentum to China’s economic development.

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China’s reform and opening up, entering its 40th anniversary this year since 1978, is hailed as a miracle in human history, according to Justin Lin Yifu, director of Institute of New Structural Economics at Peking University.

Back in 1978, China was one of the world’s most destitute countries in the world, with 84% of its population living with less than $1.25 every day. As of 2017, the nation has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, maintaining an average trade growth rate of 14.8%, a remarkable achievement for a country with such a low economic basis, Lin noted.

The Peking University professor predicted that China’s economic growth would become the world’s most important economic phenomenon by 2030, providing a historic opportunity for all intellectuals including returnees to tap into.

Specifically, China is in demand of more innovative and creative minds amid the fourth Industrial Revolution, said Chen Shiyi, an academician with Chinese Academy of Sciences. “Compared with our predecessors who have laid the foundation for China’s development, including the development of national defense, returnees today shoulder more responsibility to boost China’s core technology research and development,” said Chen.

Xiong Xiaoge, IDG Capital Global Chairman, also pointed out that the nation is ready to offer more surprise opportunities for overseas returnees in the technological sphere, including 5G communication and AI.

China has witnessed a rising number of people returning to the mainland for development since 2015, the year in which the number of returnees exceeded those leaving China. As of 2017, a total of 3.13 million of returnees had traveled back to the Chinese mainland, up from 2.65 million by 2016.

Wan noted that overseas returnees can also help bridge the gap between the outside world and China in the nation’s further opening up.

Zhu Min, head of National Institute of Financial Research at Tsinghua University, agreed that the returnees, with cross-cultural experiences, can serve to help the world better understand China, whose economic scale and rapid growth sometimes appear overwhelming.

“Thanks to the returnees, there are now more Chinese who can understand the world than those from other countries who can empathize with China,” Zhu noted, adding that China’s development has created a new platform for people, like himself, coming back home with overseas experience.
 
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China says U.S. trade move contrary to bilateral consensuses
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China urges U.S. to keep promise on trade issues
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China here on Wednesday urged the U.S. side to keep its promise on bilateral trade issues, and act in accordance with the spirit of recent joint statement.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying made the remarks when commenting on the latest statement by the White House on Tuesday saying that the United States will impose a 25 percent tariff on 50 billion U.S. dollars of goods imported from China which contain industrially significant technology. The final list will be revealed by June 15, according to the statement.

Hua said that the relevant U.S. statement is obviously contrary to the consensus reached between the two sides in Washington not long ago.

She said that in international relations, going back on one's word is a loss and squandering of the credibility of one's country.

"If the United States persists in its willfulness, the Chinese side will take resolute and effective measures to safeguard its own legitimate interests," said Hua, reiterating that the Chinese side did not want to fight, but it was not afraid to fight a trade war.

She said that China has consistently advocated handling and settling economic and trade differences in a constructive manner through talks, which is in the fundamental long-term interests of the two countries and the two peoples, and the common aspiration of the international community.
 

Ultra

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My prediction is coming true! Looks like this slow train wreck is going to happen, however slow it is.

Not on ly that, Trump is starting a GLOBAL trade war.
 

Ultra

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US-China trade battle: Catch up here
The odds of a messy trade war between the United States and China are rising again.
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The Trump administration
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on Tuesday by tearing up a truce with Beijing and announcing it would impose
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and restrict Chinese investment in the United States.

China said Wednesday it was
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Not on ly that, Trump is starting a GLOBAL trade war.


Trump is starting a global trade war

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America's biggest allies and trade partners are promising to fight back against US tariffs that threaten to spark a global trade war.
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Ths is going to be fun! I hope AMERICA is prepared. Cause I know for certain America is going to lose big time. There are going to be sufferings especially for those americans with entitled mentality.


My other prediction is Trump is going to military war with China. Because he will be losing his trade war, so he will start a real war with China where he thinks he has an advantage.

Now, this is where I am worried. China now has to face the fact of a real war and the level of survival they are prepared to accept.

 
May 23, 2018
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Trump: No deal on ZTE has been reached yet
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kinda followup:
How will China fare amid trade twists and turns?
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The
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administration may soon fine embattled Chinese tech giant
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1.7 billion US dollars before allowing it back into business. This is the latest move in the unfolding trade drama over recent months amid Trump’s tariff provocations against Beijing as well as Washington’s traditional allies.

US Commerce Secretary
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arrived in Beijing early this morning for another trade parley. The game between the world's two economic heavyweights is set to go on, against the backdrop of fundamental changes in the US's perception toward China. Beijing-Washington ties will not likely proceed along the path forged over the past four decades.

With more vehement trade skirmishes in store, what edge does China have? How can the Asian powerhouse become increasingly resilient in back-and-forth rows? What should the country do in a new era of reform and opening up? Watchers of China-US relations weighed in with CGTN Opinion during a recent forum on China’s 40 years of
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, director of the Department of US Studies at the China Institute of International Studies


The current trade tensions are a prominent part of the China-US poignancy as the existing power balance between the two major countries is being broken and a new equilibrium is taking shape.

In the process, China has at least two advantages over the US. It's a rising country with a strong leadership while the Trump administration, comprising both trade hawks and doves, is being split apart. It's ironic that Trump tapped these personnel but are now somewhat controlled by them. He messed it up.

Furthermore, China possesses well-coordinated functional divisions. The Chinese trade delegation is composed of economic, political and diplomatic veterans from ministries of Commerce and Foreign Affairs as well as the National Development and Reform Commission, in stark contrast to the amateur negotiators from the US side holding divided views on trade.

In the US State Department, almost half of the posts remain unoccupied. Only the Commerce and Treasury departments have engaged in the wrangle with Beijing. Imagine what the result will be when the decision power lies in the hands of only a minority.

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, chairman of the US Chamber of Commerce in China


Actually, some 75 percent of the members of our chamber believe that China does not welcome them, which has nurtured a mentality of unfair play in the country. Despite the fact that the US imposes restrictions on Chinese investment citing national security concerns, it's still one of the most open markets in the world. Over the years, China has formulated preferential policies for homegrown enterprises.

Therefore, the country needs to further open up its market and make foreign investors feel at home. In addition, it’s supposed to further encourage local firms to engage in wider collaboration on innovation, as the best idea is not amassed in a certain place but scattered across multiple countries.

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, senior fellow with the National Strategy Institute under Tsinghua University, Yiyang chair professor at Beijing Foreign Studies University


Since Donald Trump entered the White House with the overriding "America First" policy, the US has retreated from the globalization which it led in creating. It's fair to say that we have ushered in an era of de-globalization.

Now Beijing is taking the baton to forge a China-led globalization and prevent the multilateral system from collapsing.

Though China is the world’s second largest economy, it has already become the largest market. The problem is that most people are still talking about how to make full use of its potential but have sidestepped the fact that China has the biggest pool of consumers. How to make this cake more attractive has arisen as an urgent task.

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, former vice minister of China's Ministry of Commerce, chief negotiator in China's WTO accession


China needs a major adjustment to its trade policy. In the past, its massive export supported the employment of some 80 million people. It has to move ahead with this momentum in export while expanding its import. That China has agreed to buy more of American goods is in no way a concession but an indispensable step in its reform and opening-up endeavor.

Given Chinese consumers' increasing demand for higher-quality products and services, the adjustment must be made to improve their purchasing power. It has nothing to do with Trump, let alone the simmering trade conflict.

All hi-tech manufacturing sectors are "made around the globe." Whether it’s Boeing or Airbus, they need to purchase raw materials, components, accessories from the world over, or they could not have become the most competitive brands. So expanding imports of superior quality is an inevitable demand for China, which is standing at a crossroads of development.

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, former senior Arthur Ross fellow at Asia Society, professor of International Political Economy at Peking University


A country basically has six powers in dealing with others: religion or culture, military strength, wealth including resources and currencies, technology and equipment, market size, morality and justice.

On the current affluent landscape, the first five powers are within easy reach, and the last one – morality and justice – has figured prominently.

With the latest series of turnarounds on trade with China and its allies as well, the White House is reneging on the very "social contract" philosophy it was founded on. "Social contract" has been the soul of the West since the Renaissance, but Trump is diminishing this very spirit day by day. It's time that China step in to fill the moral vacuum.

How? China should open up further to the outside world so that every country can find development opportunities in it. It is not out of external pressure but stems from the power of morality and justice.
 

plawolf

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There is a new documentary showing about the rise of the nazis, and a point from it caught my attention and feels especially relevant to this thread - the nazis were only able to come to power and convince so many oridinay Germans to follow them because of the desperate economic hardship they were suffering under.

People don’t want revolutions or to persecute others when times are good ( well, most normal people). But if you turn their bright future to dust and make their daily lives a struggle, well, people will be more open to overturning their present form of government and constitution if it means a better life for themselves and their families.

Get foreign powers to inflict the pain, and the people would be far easier persuaded to hate those that are different.

There is no evidence that Trump himself is a hardline ideologue, but a lot of the far and extreme right groups and people who supported him and advise him are a completely different matter.

Many such groups are obsessed with nazi Germany, and would be intimately familiar with their path to power.

It would not be far fetched to think that these groups and their representatives in Washington and the right wing American media would be deliberately fanning the flames of the trade war (and not just with China, the US just hit Canada, Mexico and the EU with tarrifs), hoping it would be as devastating and far reaching as possible to create similar economic and social conditions as 1930s Germany in a bid to gain power in the US in a similar way.

This may well not be as simply as Trump being a bully and trying to take everyone else’s lunch money as we previously thought. In which cases it would require very different strategies and remidies to effectively counter.

It is sobering to think that China and the EU may be playing right into the hands of the extremists with their surgical application of retaliatory measures aimed at key swing seats.

The tarrifs might achieve their intended goal of making the incumbents of those swing seats loose, but the unintended result might be that they are replaced by hard line extreme right figures.

The November mid term elections are worth watching closely, and I really hope I am wrong about this hunch.
 
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May 23, 2018
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China issues statement on Sino-U.S. trade talks
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Chinese and U.S. teams, led by Chinese Vice Premier Liu He and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, held economic and trade consultations in Beijing from June 2-3, according to a statement issued by the Chinese side.

"To implement the consensus reached in Washington, the two sides have had good communication in various areas such as agriculture and energy, and have made positive and concrete progress while relevant details are yet to be confirmed by both sides," the statement said.

Liu is also a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, and chief of the Chinese side of the China-U.S. comprehensive economic dialogue.

"The attitude of the Chinese side remains consistent," said the statement.

To meet the people's ever-growing needs for a better life and the requirements of high-quality economic development, China is willing to increase imports from other countries, including the United States, which will benefit people of both countries and the rest of the world, it noted.

"Reform and opening-up as well as expanding domestic demand are China's national strategies. Our set pace will not change," the statement said.

The outcome of the talks should be based on the prerequisite that the two parties meet each other halfway and will not engage in a trade war, according to the statement.

"All economic and trade outcomes of the talks will not take effect if the US side imposes any trade sanctions including raising tariffs," the statement said.
 
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