Trade War with China

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vincent

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It’s good that Chinese entrepeuners like Tony Ma is doing something and has pledge to help the local chip industries hope Jack Ma pledge to do the same. For the local chip and software industries to succeed the push must come from the private sector with ecouragement from the government.

He can start by making a Linux version of QQ client
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well to each acoording to its own China pressed ahead with "Made in China 2025" Trade war or not
China reject accusation of technology stealing Proof it said china No where is statue or regulation is there clause of technology transfer and American company does not have to assent to it. It is deal between private company
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Xi pushes ahead with ‘Made in China 2025’ policy
Self-determination and innovation is the unavoidable path, the Chinese president points out to the scientific elite
By Asia Times staff May 29, 2018 7:51 PM (UTC+8)

President Xi Jinping has reiterated his call for China to break through the innovation barrier and wean itself off imported technology. In an opening address at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, he urged the country’s scientific elite to transform the world’s second-largest economy into a global high-tech leader.

At the heart
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was a simple message – China must become self-sufficient when it comes to technology, reinforcing his “Made in China 2025” vision.

“Self-determination and innovation is the unavoidable path … to climb to the world’s top as a leading player in technology,” he told an audience packed with scientists and engineers. “We [should] hold innovative development tightly in our own hands.

“[We have to] put much effort in key areas where we are facing bottlenecks … and make breakthroughs as soon as we can,” he added.

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will resonate in Washington after President Donald Trump launched a campaign last month to curtail the “Made in China 2025” program, which involves massive state-subsidies to the country’s tech sector.

Heads to China
It also comes just days before the United States Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, heads to China for round three of trade talks after both sides rolled out proposed tariffs on a range of imported products worth up to US$100 billion.

“He is [aiming to negotiate] a framework [that could turn into] binding agreements,”
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the Treasury Secretary, told CNBC.

Still, just hours after Xi’s remarks in Beijing, China and US envoys were slugging it out at the World Trade Organization in Geneva.

The spate involved claims by the White House that China is stealing American technology, which is the subject of two lawsuits.

Dennis Shea, the US ambassador, stressed that “forced technology transfer” was often an unwritten rule for foreign companies trying to access the country’s burgeoning market, especially in joint ventures with state-owned or state-directed Chinese firms.

“This is not the rule of law. In fact, it is China’s laws themselves that enable this coercion,” Shea told the WTO’s dispute settlement body.

“Fundamentally, China has made the decision to engage in a systematic, state-directed, and non-market pursuit of other [WTO] members’ cutting-edge technology in service of China’s industrial policy.”

Nations would see their competitiveness eroded if these policies were left unchecked, Shea pointed out.

Rejected the criticism
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flatly rejected the criticism, which has spawned WTO disputes from both sides.

“There is no forced technology transfer in China,” Zhang Xiangchen told the meeting, adding that the US argument involved a “presumption of guilt.”

“But the fact is, nothing in these regulatory measures requires technology transfer from foreign companies,” he stated.

Technology transfer was a normal commercial activity that benefited the US, he continued, while Chinese innovation was fueled by “the diligence and entrepreneurship of the Chinese people, investment in education and research, and efforts to improve the protection of intellectual property.”

Along with Xi’s latest address, this will simply stiffen Washington’s resolve in the
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taxiya

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You are essentially saying the same thing by saying that it has to survive by developing inferior products. No enterprise will survive long term by continuously producing inferior product. ZTE long term viability is also not served by being under the control of US compliance officers, US controlled management and be required to purchase US parts. The employees are better served by allowing a sanction free rival to take over their core asset, which are the talent and knowhow, and allow them to apply lessons learn from their mistaken reliance on US parts.

Read the article which states:
U.S. President Donald Trump appeared to confirm the deal in a tweet late on Friday. “I closed it down then let it reopen with high level security guarantees, change of management and board, must purchase U.S. parts and pay a $1.3 Billion fine.”

After ZTE makes a series of changes it would now be allowed to resume business with U.S. companies, including chipmaker Qualcomm Inc.
The deal, earlier communicated to officials on Capitol Hill by the Commerce Department, requires ZTE to pay a substantial fine, place U.S. compliance officers at the company and change its management team, the aide said.
To survive on "inferior" self reliance is better than surviving on "better" handout. BTW, who says Chinese substitute remains inferior for ever?

The US compliance officer is sitting in ZTE office in USA, not in Beijing. The management affected is ZTE America not ZTE global. I don't see a problem with that. For the same principle, Chinese police can walk into Qualcomm´s Beijing office to do a search if there is a warrant issued by Prosecutor.
 
now I read
China says U.S. trade move contrary to bilateral consensuses
Xinhua| 2018-05-30 00:24:02
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China's Ministry of Commerce said Tuesday that the U.S. trade statement is contrary to the consensuses the two sides have previously reached in Washington.

Calling the White House statement as unexpected and within expectation, the ministry said whatever measures the United States will take, China has the confidence, capability and experience to defend the interests of Chinese people and the core interests of the country, the ministry said on its website.
 
now I read
China Ministry of Commerce calls US trade action 'surprising'
2018-05-30 00:25 GMT+8
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On Tuesday, the White House announced the U.S. would "impose a 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of goods imported from China containing industrially significant technology, including those related to the 'Made in China 2025' program."

In response, China's Ministry of Commerce has stated:

We are very surprised by the White House statement. But it’s also within our expectations. It’s apparently against the consensus we reached with the US counterparts in Washington DC. No matter what measures the U.S. will take, China is confident and capable of defending our national interests. We urge the U.S. to act according to our previous joint statement.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Xi must be laughing his ass off at this. He's been trying so hard to stop China's brain drain, and now the US goes and does it for him.

Not only that if you want sure way to loose the race of high tech then do what Trump does
STEM is the least attractive field for domestic student due to job instability The best and brightest now go for Medicine, Wallstreet, Teaching and other service industry. Foreign student make up the large chunk of STEM graduate. Many school in the US depend on foreign student because they pay the full tuition fee
 
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