Trade War with China

Intel and AMD processors are not a requirement for Chinese weapon systems. Neither is TSMC. Do you think the Chinese MIC would source components from the US or Taiwan? This is about the civilian commercial sector and the US's attempt to push the Chinese out of the world's trade markets or at least to put them on a leash.

The technique the US is using is old like heck. It is a soft re-run of the naval blockade Great Britain did to the Napoleonic Empire. Except, China isn't invading anyone. By preventing China's peaceful rise the US wants to push China into either vassalage or war. Much like, again Great Britain tried to contain Imperial Germany back in WWI.

The more time passes the larger the Chinese PLA fleet and air arms become. Fact is China could invade Taiwan right now if they wanted to, but they would have to use nukes in case the US did attempt to intervene. China thinks this strategy of growth in peace will allow them to eventually get Taiwan back by default with the mere threat of their forces there. Winning without fighting Sun Tzu style.

Arkboy said:

So if TSMC gets pressured into blocking all of China, and US tells Intel and AMD to cut all relationship with all Chinese companies... what do people suggest be done? Short of hoping US gets stuck in Iran/Venezula allowing China to invade Taiwan and take over TSMC and other companies by force, I don't see a good outcome for China here. US has taken drastic action, and so far Xi hasn't even done a rare earth export ban yet.

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SMIC, goddamn it! China's own research, goddamn it! Why are you so afraid of some hard work? Oh, the electronics industry might take a few years to catch up so let's start giving away territory?? We need to have top notch cellphones even if it means losing national integrity? Stockpile WU-14/DF-ZF and get ready for WWIII if you have to but ain't nobody giving away Chinese land.

To answer your last part, just look at Hong Kong, they have become a liability not an asset to China. Hong Kong gdp fall flat, it's young generation are brainwashed and CIA constantly trying to use it to destabilize CCP.

Since when is HK a liability? It is a portal into the Western banking sector without needing to infest the main Chinese economy with it.
It is profitable enough to pay for itself. With regards to the protests, I suspect only people in the West care about it, and mainland Chinese are likely against the protests. To me personally I think the whole protests are overblown and with a proper drafted law and cooler heads it will pass anyway.

Arkboy said:

To answer your last part, just look at Hong Kong, they have become a liability not an asset to China. Hong Kong gdp fall flat, it's young generation are brainwashed and CIA constantly trying to use it to destabilize CCP.

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You remember your attitude. When one of your kids messes up, you cut him loose and disown him; don't you dare try to discipline him and straighten him out.

HK is a hell of a mess because of the British but it has got exactly 28 years of this crap left on the clock before its autonomy runs out and China comes in there with a cleaning crew, and that's if China can wait that long at all.

You remember two things:

1. Territory is forever; you don't trade anything for territory. You go to war and unleash hell on earth if you have to for every inch of territory. Taiwan's acting up so cut that loose. Hong Kong sucks so lose that. Xinjiang's all terroristy so forget them. Tibet's just monks setting themselves on fire so throw that out. This is your strategy??? How big do you want China to be? Are you even Chinese (serious question)? You are like CIA's best friend!

2. You don't give up because the problem is challenging. That doesn't qualify as a strategy; that's called admitting defeat. Everything you write sounds to me like, "The enemy constantly antagonizes me and challenges me. I'll just commit suicide; that way he won't have anything to do!" Whenever there's a problem, you don't run away and you don't cut it lose; you solve the problem! You stay right where you are and you make the problem disappear, not the other way around. That's Chinese style.

No. The strategy is to make sure the petrodollar hegemony collapses before America can do enough damage to China and the world to take us all back to the stone age. We are at a historical bifurcation point of inflection.

Arkboy said:

No. The strategy is to make sure the petrodollar hegemony collapses before America can do enough damage to China and the world to take us all back to the stone age. We are at a historical bifurcation point of inflection.

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No nothing. You give away territory=you lose. There are no exceptions to this rule. Everything you advocate for is a disaster for China and a earth-shattering victory for the US. You have no strategy other than giving up. If China is in the stone age with its own technology (which is more than the US can get hope for in a wet dream), then China can go to the stone age and start up from there. But it goes there with all its territory and it marches forward steadily. But there is nowhere to go with your disgusting defeatist attitude.

Bltizo said:

I would recommend you stop this track of argument before you inflame things further.
You might be new to Chinese historical, cultural, and strategic rationale, or you may be not. But I want to put this simply: the idea of "giving up" Taiwan for something like TSMC is simply ludicrous.



There are obviously strategic reasons for why China will not give up on its desire to reunify with Taiwan. But perhaps the core reason is because of Chinese history and the desire to correct the aberration of history which China today perceives and to seek justice and correction of the various territorial, security, economic and sovereign losses China experienced in the 19th and 20th century, of which the Taiwan issue is a continuation of.


It is not something to be traded away, but Taiwan is instead something that China is willing to go to hell for if it comes to conflict and will seek to demonstrate that it is willing to take anyone to hell with them if they seek otherwise.


I hope you recognize the severity of your suggestion and stop it there, lest you end up getting even more people piling atop you on this matter.

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Well said. blitz. Perhaps you should post this over at the Taiwan thread

Our friend, the blue Max is re-writing history and spreading falsehood over there.

He's already got that thread locked once, he's trying his hardest to do it again.

The sad thing is, he is using Wikipedia and his "Chinese friends" as the basis for why China don't have a claim on Taiwan.

I think we better not continue mention about territory issue. Asia nation have alot of different but one thing they same: losing territory is impossible . If a rulers start to talk about giving up territory then the end of his regime is near. I don't think Xi or anyone in CCP is dare to think not even to talk about it.

When are they going to recover the territories from the Qing Empire?