Trade War with China

xiabonan said:

Actually that's not what Mr Ren said.

Hr said sales of smartphones were initially down by as much as 40% in overseas markets, and then improved to a loss of 20%, and were quickly recovering.

The Western Media never reports the whole thing.

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manqiangrexue said:

Could you link that? I really wanna see it. Thanks

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tidalwave said:

That's too hard to do if US forces blockade on Malacca strait. I don't see China naval forces able to do that even if it has multiple carrier strike groups.

Better to supply and use proxy like Taliban to evict US ground forces from Afghanistan. With Russia , China and rest of SCO clean out US ground forces in Central Asia.

I feel that has better chance.

Trade and oil supply from land route.

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AssassinsMace said:

That's why take what the media says with a grain of salt. They spin anything to be anything. Look at the news that Foxconn was going to ship production of iPhones out of China. Then today comes news that the CEO of Foxconn was trying to convince Apple to move production out of China to Taiwan where he's going to run for President so he can claim he brought jobs to Taiwan. So Foxconn doesn't have the power to decide where production of iPhones goes. Huawei lost $30 billion and Apple lost $55 billion from bad numbers out of China late last year. And a Taiwanese supplier because Apple lost $55 billion lost $40 billion. It's a fact any place else where iPhones are made will cost more because the media spins that these outsourced jobs are humanitarian gestures so people in other countries can have jobs when in actuality it's the cheapest place that can provide US corporations their needs of production so they can make every penny they can. I was listening to a talk radio show this morning talking about the trial of that Navy Seal that murdered an ISIS fighter. The hosts were claiming that the prisoner was going to be turned over to Iraqi authorities where he would've died a horrible torturous death so this Navy Seal shouldn't be persecuted because the Iraqis would killed him eventually and the Navy Seal was actually committing an act of mercy. Oh the, "Yeah I killed someone but I shouldn't be charged with a crime because someone else would've came along and eventually killed him more" excuse...

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localizer said:

Here's evidence of MSM agenda:

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Huawei Price Shock: Value Of Flagship $1150 P30 Pro Comes Crashing Down To $130

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N00813 said:

LOL. Just checked the Carphone Warehouse, it's still 899 GBP. The last-gen P20 Pro is still 379 GBP. When I can actually buy the P30 Pro for 150 GBP I'll be the first to let you know.

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Following the addition of Shenzhen telecommunications firm Huawei to an "entity list" which prohibited U.S. businesses from engaging in technology trade with it, the United States Department of the Treasury, under the instructions of the Donald Trump administration, has now moved to add several additional Chinese firms to the list.

They include the Wuxi Jiangnan Institute of Computing Technology, Higon, Chengdu Haiguang Integrated Circuit and Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology.

The firms are accused by the U.S. government of aiding "China's military modernization," specifically through their development of supercomputer capabilities, an area in which China has already surpassed the United States.

The move comes amid a much eyed meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and U.S. President Donald Trump at the G20 summit in Osaka, which it is hoped can restore U.S.-China negotiations on ending the trade friction.

However, the newest blacklisting sends the world a clear message. It is that American prohibition of Chinese technology firms is not truly about questions of "national security," but that Washington is pursuing what it sees as a struggle to maintain global technological hegemony in spite of China.

In doing so, it is striving to forcefully remove successful firms from the benefits of American markets and coercively "decouple" the two countries. Nevertheless, doing so will only impose severe costs upon U.S. companies in the long run with the loss of the huge Chinese market, and reciprocal actions from Beijing designated to protect its own national interests.

When the United States began a campaign against Huawei, it was just the tip of the iceberg. Washington claimed that the company was a threat to national security and subsequently began pressuring other countries to ban it, whilst eliminating it from the U.S. market in its entirety. Too many observers and commentators took such remarks at face value.

However, an interview with U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton earlier this year indicated that there were other intentions behind such a move.

Bolton stated openly that the impetus of the trade war and assaults on Chinese technology were about constraining and retrograding Beijing's own capabilities; in essence, a move to maintain American technological supremacy against China.

Given this, Washington has not stopped at Huawei. Rather, every single Chinese firm which has exceeded American capabilities is being targeted, coercively. Friday's announcement that a number of Chinese firms linked to the production of supercomputer technology were added to the "entity list" is a reaffirmation of this.

In 2016, China had overtaken the United States in terms of supercomputer numbers and capabilities; Beijing not only had more supercomputers than the United States, but better ones too. The creation of Tianhe broke the record in establishing the world's fastest supercomputer.

As a result, as Washington did per Huawei's rapid advances beyond the U.S. in 5G technology, their response has been to simply ban it outright from the country and aim to bring successful firms associated with that feat to their knees by depriving them of goals and parts that come from American suppliers.

The move is, of course, shortsighted and foolish. By repeatedly blacklisting successful Chinese companies from the American market by force, the White House is imposing tremendous costs upon U.S. suppliers by depriving them of the world's largest markets.

As has been repeatedly stated, sales to China have constituted an enormous part of revenue in U.S. microchip sales and related parts. In addition, the White House is not making scope for the fact that Beijing will be forced to retaliate accordingly.

For as revealed last month in a new white paper, China will soon be developing an entity list of its own and may accordingly, blacklist specific American firms if the grounds are necessary.

Regardless, politicians in Washington should be prudent to note that Beijing will take actions to protect its national interests, and such coercive moves cannot be expected to go without a response.

Ultimately, in the modern world technology is a global initiative. Successful innovation, research and development mandate international cooperation, interdependence and ideally ought not to stop at national borders.

Thus, as Washington forcefully puts up walls and shuts out China throughout a number of fields, both in commerce and research alike, it is foolish to assume that it can consolidate global technological hegemony purely for itself and not pay a price for it.

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