Trade War with China

^unless you ban the company

right? I mean its not like I'm having a hard time finding real life examples

manqiangrexue said:

What's full mobilization? Finding a reason to shut down Xiaomi? LOL Yeah, we're definitely not there yet.

After all, it just says that Xiaomi planned to invest in domestic growth, which is hardly a devious act. It's American news that sensationalize this as an attack on Huawei. And let's not forget that Xiaomi did sign up to be a partner in testing Hongmeng OS. And maybe it did separately invest in China's homegrown technology; I don't know. I'm just saying that the Chinese government should really talk to these Chinese phone vendors to get them on board with a national strategy rather than let them bite each other like rabid hounds. Maybe that's already happened; I don't know but I hope so.

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I mean it doesn't warrant CCP mobilizing chinese tech companies to support Huawei/Hisilicon's software/chip efforts.

localizer said:

I mean it doesn't warrant CCP mobilizing chinese tech industries to support Huawei/Hisilicon's software/chip efforts.

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That will depend on Huawei's situation. If Huawei is adamant that they have everything under control in their own labs, then what you say is true. But if Huawei tells the government that there are 30 parts; they have 20 coming along just fine but 10 are causing problems because of lack of resources and experience, then of course the CCP should take these projects and divy them among other powerful Chinese tech companies to handle as both national projects but also with private money-making opportunity of course. We can't all sit back and put the full weight of Chinese technological advancement on Huawei's shoulders and just shrug if it struggles!

s002wjh said:

if its not xiaomi, then its vivo, oppo, samsung, apple or other brand, consumer will choose whatever fit their needs.

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For Chinese people, Huawei is the only phone that fits their needs because not only do people need a great phone, they need to invest in technologies that will uplift their own futures rather than their rival's. People simply need to be aware of what these companies do with their money, and I'm not saying that Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo are not contributing to Chinese tech because I don't know that but if they are not, they shouldn't be allowed to sell fake "Made in China" phone cases that actually spread US tech into the Chinese market at the expense of Huawei and Chinese parts. This is trickery of the Chinese people and they need to know that not all Chinese phone brands are equal. China needs to be a market for Chinese parts or these parts will never take off and if it means that Chinese people have to suffer a few years using slightly worse phones (or no such thing may be necessary), so be it. If Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, Oneplus want to pick up a fair share of Chinese research, that would be great. If not, and they want to wait for someone else to do all the heavy lifting before they adopt the new Chinese parts, that is the minimal requirement and they need to at least not be in the way during the process. If they want to sell American parts forever, they need to go out of business. China doesn't need that kind of company or people.

manqiangrexue said:

That will depend on Huawei's situation. If Huawei is adamant that they have everything under control in their own labs, then what you say is true. But if Huawei tells the government that there are 30 parts; they have 20 coming along just fine but 10 are causing problems because of lack of resources and experience, then of course the CCP should take these projects and divy them among other powerful Chinese tech companies to handle as both national projects but also with private money-making opportunity of course. We can't all sit back and put the full weight of Chinese technological advancement on Huawei's shoulders and just shrug if it struggles!

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Best thing for China to do right now is boycott good imported from the West and stop sending money overseas (vacation, investments, undergrad). But that depends on how woke the Chinese are.

localizer said:

Best thing for China to do right now is boycott good imported from the West and stop sending money overseas (vacation, investments, undergrad). But that depends on how woke the Chinese are.

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True, except for the education. If you're paying $50K a year for your son to study hotel management in the US, your funds need to be audited. But if you're paying for a STEM education in the US, it's still worth it. Money is fake; knowledge is real.

manqiangrexue said:

I'm impressed by everything Huawei does but a rebound can't be this fast, can it? It's only been a few days since Ren said he's not expecting Huawei to return to growth for 2 years. We'll see what the next few months entail; maybe Ren was overly cautious in his estimate.

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ZURICH (Reuters) - Huawei smartphone sales in Western Europe have risen "in the past few days" as customers grow more confident the Chinese company will weather U.S. sanctions imposed last month, an executive for the Chinese firm said on Friday.

The reported sales boost follows Huawei's offer of guarantees to that current phones and apps would be supported.

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Actually that's not what Mr Ren said.

Hr said sales of smartphones were initially down by as much as 40% in overseas markets, and then improved to a loss of 20%, and were quickly recovering.

The Western Media never reports the whole thing.

manqiangrexue said:

True, except for the education. If you're paying $50K a year for your son to study hotel management in the US, your funds need to be audited. But if you're paying for a STEM education in the US, it's still worth it. Money is fake; knowledge is real.

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I think US undergraduate education is not worth it. The Chinese kids only hang out with each other so it's not really a cultural exchange either.

Send them for Masters/PhD, not undergrad.

I mean, if the US wants to do hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, the Chinese people need to know and let the US know they're not punk bitch.

localizer said:

I think US undergraduate education is not worth it. The Chinese kids only hang out with each other so it's not really a cultural exchange either.

Send them for Masters/PhD, not undergrad.

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Most of the times, that's true, but sometimes, it's not. Have you seen the undergrads a Georgia Tech? They go in as regular freshmen and graduate in 5 (that's right, their program is so tough, it's rare to graduate a computer-related major in the normal 4 years) years as coding, computer-designing monsters. Chinese, Korean, Indian kids come out like Jedi of the tech world, and once in a while even an American kid learns something!

manqiangrexue said:

Most of the times, that's true, but sometimes, it's not. Have you seen the undergrads a Georgia Tech? They go in as regular freshmen and graduate in 5 (that's right, their program is so tough, it's rare to graduate a computer-related major in the normal 4 years) years as coding, computer-designing monsters. Chinese, Korean, Indian kids come out like Jedi of the tech world, and once in a while even an American kid learns something!

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If you can get into a top institution sure, of course go. Better yet, get involved in a lab or internship in undergrad. Just don't go to do useless major like you said or go to some crap college for $70k/year.