Trade War with China

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Is great this one, I couldn't beleve what I was hearing. He sounds so desperate for a deal, he's now threatening tariffs if Xi dosen't TURN UP, (he's desperate for a one-on-one, never mind making a deal).

He then when on to say China insulted him with the 2025 thing, WHAT! really, the 2025 is an insult, yet the MAGA is not! Trump lives in his own bubble.

Before that, he did say China is rude for having the 2025 policy. With these kind of childish statements, I don't think any trade deal can be made under this POTUS.
 
It would be best for both nations as well as the world to reach a deal. While China should definitely defend its economic sovereignty, it should be willing to take a look at some of the practices that the West (not only Trump, and not only recently) considers most unfair and concerning and see if it can do some things to address those concerns, such as self-enforcing corporate espionage, patent protection, IP rights, and being more transparent about and perhaps reducing state subsidies (not saying to get rid of all state support to all industries). Not to say that China should give-in to Trump, but addressing certain policies will be beneficial to China as well as rest of world in more ones than one. Not only will taking some steps help China's image internationally and promote a smoother relationship with the US and EU in the future, but will also be beneficial to China's own long-term development.
 

CMP

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Things have reached the point that it would take more than restoring the status quo in order for China to give Trump a deal. Trump would now probably have to actually offer something China wouldn't otherwise get. Something that can't be revoked by the next president or congress.
 

manqiangrexue

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Things have reached the point that it would take more than restoring the status quo in order for China to give Trump a deal. Trump would now probably have to actually offer something China wouldn't otherwise get. Something that can't be revoked by the next president or congress.
There's not gonna be a deal like that. US is not gonna do something to give China even more growth momentum and China's not going to do anything that would allow the US an advantage in containing it. From now on, it's decoupling, competition, A against B, not cooperation. Under Trump, it will be outward; if Trump is replaced, the rhetoric will tone down, but the undercurrent will continue moving in the same direction.
 

CMP

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I never said there would be a deal. I said that’s what it would take to get one.
 

manqiangrexue

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I really like how he can't take a little and run with it; he must always push and push until he Fs everything up. And his impeccable timing means this message can't be more obvious. Let's see how smart the Mexicans are, how many rounds of this it takes before they figure out that the only way to deal with Trump is just to give him nothing and watch him scream/ self-inflict damage.
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Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
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By Makini Brice
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•June 10, 2019

"We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years. It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico's legislative body," Trump tweeted.

"We do not anticipate a problem with the vote but, if for any reason the approval is not forthcoming, tariffs will be reinstated."
 

AndrewS

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Confirmation below that the Huawei ban is part of the trade war, rather than just a national security issue.

23 May. Trump:
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10 Jun. Trump again
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10 Jun. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin
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29 May. Vice-President Chief of Staff
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Red Moon

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... and I got intrigued;

stuff always on the first page of my google-search hits; sometimes I had to modify a query (of course I tried to find what the above items implied); sorry about formatting
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#1 above: "Russia, Brazil, South Korea all said explicitly that they are not going to ban Huawei equipment for their countries' 5G network."
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2 days ago

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May 29, 2019

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May 29, 2019

#2 above: "The UAE just awarded Huawei a multi-billion dollar 5G contract."

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Feb 26, 2019

#3 above: "Malaysia even went so far as to say that they "will adopt as much Huawei technology as possible".
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May 30, 2019

#4 above: "French President Macron said France will not ban Huawei, while Germany also made similar statements, saying they don't target individual companies."

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May 16, 2019

#5 above: "Singaporean Foreign Affairs Minister and Prime Minister came out to say that the US should "accept China's rise"."
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May 31, 2019

#6 above: "TSMC said they will continue to supply Huawei, Panasonic, Toshiba all refuted the fake news that they are cutting supply."

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May 22, 2019

#7 above: "IEEE restored Huawei employees' right to be editors after banning them for a few days."
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May 30, 2019

#8 above: "IEEE restored Huawei employees' right to be editors after banning them for a few days."

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June 2, 2019

#9 above: "China started commercialisation of its 5G network, which could possibly give Huawei some of the largest 5G contracts in the world."
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2 days ago

and finally the one which was more difficult to find, #10 above: "Google put Huawei's Mate 20 Pro back onto its list of devices supporting Android Q, while lobbying the Department of Commerce to allow it to continue servicing Huawei."

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dated May 30

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"Update 5/30: As silently as it was removed, the Huawei Mate 20 Pro has just re-appeared on
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. The device just came back just this morning in the same spot it was before the removal. Presumably, this has to do with the 90-day general license Huawei was granted to continue working on its existing products. This is probably a good sign that not only is work continuing on the beta, but that current Huawei devices might be updated."
Very good. You found "western" outlets that mention each one of those points. You've proved that google works! But in any given outlet, how prominent are these things if you go to the website on a the particular day? And how many of the listed items are carried by all the outlets? How many of the outlets carry all of the items?

Once you know there's a story, you can usually google to find it (not always). @xiabonan is talking about what is emphasized in the news, and what is pushed into the background.
 

Just4Fun

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This article states only from the angle of psychology of Chinese. But what is more important is the fact that the US has lost its qualification to talk with China any issues regarding China's sovereignty, after it failed to win the Korean war against China in the 1950s.

It is universally accepted that you would never get through negotiation what you couldn't get in the battle field. (世间普遍认同,战场上得不到的东西,你休想通过谈判得到。) Trump's biggest mistake is that he doesn't know this law, even though he proclaims he is a genius in negotiation. Trump is so stupid that he thinks he could use high tariff to pressure China to give up its sovereignty on issues such as territory (Taiwan), currency (RMB), economic policies (SOEs),... etc. He probably even thinks he could force China to accept a regime change through trade war. His stupidity and arrogance are beyond description.

China may agree to spend some trade surplus money to buy US goods. Anything beyond this is off the table.

China's national sovereignty is nonnegotiable. It is earned by Chinese people through armed struggles against foreign aggressors and their puppets from the 1840s to the 1950s. To have Chinese give up their sovereignty, Trump need fight and win a shooting war against China in China's turfs.

If the US can't win the Korean war when China was in its weakest times, forget about any war against China. War means hostility. Trade war, tech war, economic war, politic war, cultural war, cold war, or hot war,...etc., all are the result of hostility. Unfortunately, hostility can easily spread from one area to another. Eventually, armed confrontation will slip in as force is the ultimate answer to all disputes.

The US was lucky to walk away from its war debts after it lost the Koran war and Vietnam war. It did so by defaulting the dollar through abandoning gold standard in 1971, thus tearing up the Breton Forest Accord to pieces. It will not be so lucky for the Americans if the US loses another war to China in Asia. This time, the US will be dismembered by the gravity of its national debts and the squeezing force of dollar demise.

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I reiterate what I said before, in order to get a deal he desperately wants from Xi, Trump has to fight and win a shooting war against China in China's turfs.

Verbal abuse, high tariff threats, or any other trickery won't work in front of Chinese. What Trump needs right now is to read, study and memorize What Marshall Peng De-huai, the Command-in-chief of PLA forces in Korea, declared when he signed the the the Korean Armistice Agreement: "The era has gone forever that a bunch imperialists can conquer and enslave a nation in the Oriental after mounting a few pieces of cannons!" ("帝国主义在东方架起几门大炮就可以征服奴役一个国家的时代一去不复返了!" —— 中国人民志愿军总司令彭德怀元帅)

Xi won't grant Trump a chance to show off his Fart of the Deal in the forthcoming G-20 meeting in Japan.
China regards Trump as a liar and hooligan who can't be trusted. China is already looking for someone beyond Trump. A great disgrace for the US that China actually in the position to decide who can be POTUS. Will Trump twitter and complain China is meddling his re-election of 2020?
 
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