Trade War with China

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xiabonan said:
Google might succeed if it's a Democrat American Government in power. But this is Trump. This administration is not just against Huawei, China, but tech in general.

Trump knows nothing but aluminium, steel, coal, and agriculture. Maybe perhaps plus auto, but that's about it.

With the ban or without the ban, Google et al won't vote for him, and he knows that much for sure.
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A Democratic candidate proposed this:
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Not exactly laying the foundations for Google to succeed. It is a shame since Google really is a great company with a lot of really talented and bright people and they have a lot of great ideas that can really change the world for the better, rather than just maximize their bottom line.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
A Democratic candidate proposed this:
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Not exactly laying the foundations for Google to succeed. It is a shame since Google really is a great company with a lot of really talented and bright people and they have a lot of great ideas that can really change the world for the better, rather than just maximize their bottom line.
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Google got involved in politics, not exact a "do no evil" company anymore

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Europe's 5G to cost $62 billion more if Chinese vendors banned: industry

PARIS (Reuters) - A ban on buying telecoms equipment from Chinese firms would add about 55 billion euros ($62 billion) to the cost of 5G networks in Europe and delay the technology by about 18 months, according to an industry analysis seen by Reuters.

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Its not a problem getting Chinese apps on board a Chinese Android fork. It would have no problem surviving and thriving in China. But outside of China, things like Google and Facebook are imperative for any smartphone and you're not going to put those in any Chinese Android fork unless you do it yourself by downloading the apks.
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If you have another app store, isn't downloading Facebook or any other app super easy? Like Aptoide?

I hope Ark OS comes with French German browsers, map apps, and European/Asian app stores. A lot of governments want competition for Google.

Ark OS has a good chance of success if it has an international flavor.
 
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chlosy said:
If you have another app store, isn't downloading Facebook or any other app super easy? Like Aptoide?

I hope Ark OS comes with French German browsers, map apps, and European/Asian app stores. A lot of governments want competition for Google.

Ark OS has a good chance of success if it has an international flavor.
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But the problem is most Western consumers are psychologically and materially dependent on Google apps like Gmail, Chrome, Youtube, etc. I am not sure if Ark OS would be authorized to download these Google apps in the European market.
 
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Just update from my own industry (Agriculture science). There's been lots of layoffs justified on the basis of the trade war. Though I know they've been trying to fire these people for years.
 
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But the problem is most Western consumers are psychologically and materially dependent on Google apps like Gmail, Chrome, Youtube, etc. I am not sure if Ark OS would be authorized to download these Google apps in the European market.
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Remember when the EU antitrust authorities forced Microsoft to provide Windows users with the option to select their preferred browsers (internet explorer versus Mozilla etc)

The EU has been going at Google for similar monopolistic behaviour in bundling their apps/services on phones.
So the EU may mandate that phone manufacturers have to provide the user with an option to select which apps to use (eg. web browser, email etc)

So strictly speaking, Google wouldn't have a commercial relationship with Huawei, as the app is being downloaded by the-end user, and it is the end-user who agrees to the Google terms and conditions.
 
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Thank you guys for the enlightening discussions.

There are just a few things that I'm still not sure when it comes to the relationship between Google, Google's own version of Android (which is based on AOSP?) and AOSP itself.

My understanding of it is this, correct me if I'm wrong:

1. AOSP is based off of Linux kernel. Henceforth, newer Linux versions will have nothing to do with AOSP anymore.

2. AOSP is open source, and is maintained by Google.

3. Google's Android is based off of AOSP, and Google's Android is NOT open source.

4. The confusing part is this, which one does Google update first, AOSP or Google's Android? For example, Android Pie, does Google update AOSP to version "Pie" first, then update their own Google's Android? Or is it the opposite? My impression is, Google's Android gets updates first, then only AOSP. And lots of features are missing from the bare bones AOSP.

5. All current Android devices' OS'ses (Xiaomi's MiUI, Huawei's EMUI, etc.) in China or the whole world for that matter, is currently based off of Google's Android (not based on AOSP). Only major exception is Amazon's Kindle devices (which uses Amazon's in-house OS, based on AOSP) and also all the "custom ROMs" (based on AOSP) that private developers (normal phone enthusiasts, like you and me) make.

If my understanding is correct, then Huawei would still be forced to eventually fork their Ark OS further and further away from AOSP, because one can never be sure if Google will one day decide to turn off the tap to AOSP completely. But in the mean time, of course, Ark OS will be pretty much 100% compatible with AOSP.


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All the above is just my understanding, please correct me if any info is wrong.
 
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