Trade War with China

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AssassinsMace

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The point to why they contradict themselves is to numb people into obedience. Don't question it. Just do what they say. If you think they're as honorable as they promote themselves to be, you'll go crazy trying to logically figure it out when it's as simple as they're out for only themselves hiding behind how they care about everyone when they don't. That's why they need societies that don't think critically and just blindly believe what they're doing is ultimately for the good.

Over the last week I believe it was the Washington Post that came out with an article that extensively delved into the Russian's interference in the 2016 US Presidential election. I was listening to a liberal radio talk show talking about how it was outrageous that the Russians feigned sympathy with African-American communities using social media in order to cause distrust in American society between the races and cause disruption in the American way of life. The liberal talk show host was angry accusing the Russians as if they were introducing this new concept called racism in America in order to achieve an alternate agenda as if this were something foreign. You don't need the Russians to introduce this new insidious evil to the world. This isn't new. Just look to complaints about China in Africa. Do you really believe they care about how Chinese are treating Africans when they never cared themselves by history and by lack of actions today? They want to create tensions between Chinese and Africans for an alternate self-serving agenda. And these people aren't hiding anonymously behind a desk on a computer. You see them on TV saying it. They have names and they work for prestigious institutions. Again... don't think and you don't see that. Not evil when they do it.
 
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China’s total imports in 2018 are expected to reach a record high of over $2 trillion, as the country opens its door wider to foreign products and services, a senior commerce official said on Saturday

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sleepy

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Here it's not enough to moaning about US hypocrisy but think of counter strike. Maybe China should enlist Russia and Iran into tech development not everything by itself. Both countries have such incentives. Hacking jointly by Chinese , Russian, Iranians or three countries Spies concurrently act upon so US would be stretched thin. Right now , US focuses exclusively on Chinese. US enlists allies help and China should do the same.
 

AndrewS

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Here it's not enough to moaning about US hypocrisy but think of counter strike. Maybe China should enlist Russia and Iran into tech development not everything by itself. Both countries have such incentives. Hacking jointly by Chinese , Russian, Iranians or three countries Spies concurrently act upon so US would be stretched thin. Right now , US focuses exclusively on Chinese. US enlists allies help and China should do the same.

Russia and Iran don't have significant tech development capabilities.

Plus China would be tied to Russia and Iran too much. Remember that Russia actually invaded Ukraine and it knew this would cause a crisis. And that China doesn't want to take sides in the mess that is the Middle East
 

Anlsvrthng

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Russia and Iran don't have significant tech development capabilities.

Plus China would be tied to Russia and Iran too much. Remember that Russia actually invaded Ukraine and it knew this would cause a crisis. And that China doesn't want to take sides in the mess that is the Middle East
China already tied with Russia.
On R&D area as well.
 

tidalwave

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Russia and Iran don't have significant tech development capabilities.

Plus China would be tied to Russia and Iran too much. Remember that Russia actually invaded Ukraine and it knew this would cause a crisis. And that China doesn't want to take sides in the mess that is the Middle East
They do have. Both of them emphasized science and engineering traditionally. Intel has alot of Iranian engineers , more than Chinese.
This is tech development involving 3 countries. I don't think involve other political reasons you mentioned.
China needs to shed the exclusively mentality and keep everything itself and must involve other potential allies more if it wants to defeat the political prosecution of its tech sector by US led alliance.
 

tidalwave

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China already tied with Russia.
On R&D area as well.
The idea to joint development by China. Russia, Iran of Semiconductor full supply chain involve equipment, materials, chemicals and jointly made chips will replace all Western ones in China , Russia, Iran, central Asia, middle East , Africa.

Right now, China trying to do single handedly and leads to political Prosecution of tech companies by US led alliance. China needs a team.
 

ougoah

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Here it's not enough to moaning about US hypocrisy but think of counter strike. Maybe China should enlist Russia and Iran into tech development not everything by itself. Both countries have such incentives. Hacking jointly by Chinese , Russian, Iranians or three countries Spies concurrently act upon so US would be stretched thin. Right now , US focuses exclusively on Chinese. US enlists allies help and China should do the same.

The idea is correct. The implementation of countering US efforts at destroying China needs to be planned and executed perfectly. China cannot keep reacting to US aggression. It needs to do what you are suggesting. All these claims from the US that China hacks them over the last decade are known to be lies. They have yet to produce any evidence and bring the matter to any international tribunal for an actual examination of their accusations. They do not because it is simply not true.

It is convenient because the dopey masses who are inclined to dislike or hate China, only need to see a few examples of superficial copying like Chinese car makers copying the styles of other manufacturers. J-20 seemingly resembling F-22 and F-35 (except they cannot be more different in structure and internals). It's stuff like this that make the grand lie easy to believe by anyone sitting on the fence about China. The reality is US spies on and Hacks countries all over the world. These are proven facts yet no one cries about them with the same volume as a mere US accusation. It's pathetic double standards. China definitely attempts to spy and hack the US like Iran and Russia do as well. All these programs probably have varying degrees of success but it is ONLY the US who keeps bitching about it and exaggerating this. It is because they are afraid of losing more ground. Otherwise they will complain about Russia with equal volume and honestly this is all pot calling kettle black because they're by far the biggest abuser of spying and hacking.

Ten years ago, most Chinese were relatively neutral in their opinion of the US and do not believe the western world is actively aligned to be opposed to China. Now most Chinese inside and outside China are waking up to the reality. Good. The more people realise the sinister plots and actions the better. Hopefully nationalism will grow and leakages of wealth and information will slow to catch up to western nationalism and protectionism. I only see Chinese spending huge wealth overseas on and for the west... buying their overpriced "luxury" crap.

Once Chinese wake up completely and create well organised and coherent policies and plans to counter the aggression of the west, they can bring in more allies and work towards dismantling the unilateral superpower of the world so that global communities can actually have a chance at becoming fair. With independent nations cooperating as a united world with equal say, rather than what we have today which is almost essentially a world government led and enforced by the US because they've swallowed up and control all the industrialised and wealthy nations of the world except for the very few that have great potential but are not aligned with the US e.g. Russia, China, Iran... even India has sort of fallen to the US side.
 

AndrewS

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They do have. Both of them emphasized science and engineering traditionally. Intel has alot of Iranian engineers , more than Chinese.
This is tech development involving 3 countries. I don't think involve other political reasons you mentioned.
China needs to shed the exclusively mentality and keep everything itself and must involve other potential allies more if it wants to defeat the political prosecution of its tech sector by US led alliance.

No they don't.

Look at the level of R&D spending in Russia and Iran.

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They simply don't have the spending levels and manpower to make much difference in technology development.
And since they are under sanctions, it means technology imports/development is severely constrained.

The only areas which make some sense to cooperate with are aerospace and military tech in Russia.
In every other realm, China is already equal to or better.

Plus Russia and Iran are small economies, so they can't offer a large domestic market for technology products either.

And there is no way that China should make Iran an ally. It will simply drag China into the endless (and unresolvable) conflicts in the Middle East.
And it is not in China's interest to make Russia a formal ally either. Otherwise China will be dragged into the land wars in Europe.
 

ougoah

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China won't be dragged into middle east or europe if it becomes allies with Russia and Iran. They are already allies in many ways with regional geopolitics and interests of Russia and China both tied to a stable and friendly Iran, in a region that is a mess of conflicts. China would do well to bring in Iranian and Russian experts and encourage cooperation in science and research both commercial and military. Relying on yourself here is not always the best policy. Bringing these big three together would provide more dynamic spaces and direction for exploration. There is little risk of military threat from scientific cooperation. Economic wealth and technology has usually brought higher living standards and fewer reasons for conflict. Co-prosperity is the only way for peace.
 
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