Trade War with China

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Tam

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AI is no opium but its purpose is not for some idea of self sufficiency.

AI and hardware goes hand in hand, particularly developing processors and core architectures specifically meant for AI processing. We are already seeing these being implemented into smartphone SOCs, like the latest Kirins, and its being used for digital image processing and image recognition. Namely for better images to start with. But implications can be deeper, including the use of AI for deep state surveillance of the population.

Cloud applications on AI often include scanning for patterns on large databases, databases that often involved mined personal information, medical and financial records, etc,. There are countless possibilities for AI, some benevolent like driverless cars, some sinister like surveillance.
 

Janiz

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Well, I would rather trust government officials in such matters...
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PRAGUE, Dec 17 (Reuters) - The Czech cyber watchdog warned network operators on Monday against using software or hardware made by Chinese telecom equipment suppliers Huawei and ZTE, saying they posed a security threat.

Huawei, the world's biggest producer of telecoms equipment, faces intense scrutiny in the West over its ties to the Chinese government and concerns its equipment could be used by Beijing for spying. The company has repeatedly denied the allegations.

"China's laws ... require private companies residing in China to cooperate with intelligence services, therefore introducing them into the key state systems might present a threat," Dusan Navratil, director of the Czech National Cyber and Information Security Agency (NCISA), said in a statement.

System administrators in critical information infrastructure, whether in the state or private sector, should take "adequate measures" against the threat, Navratil said.

The Czech government agency added that its warning notice was based on its findings and on those of allies.

In response, a Huawei spokesman said: "We categorically deny any suggestion that we pose a threat to national security. We call for NCISA to provide evidence instead of tarnishing Huaweis reputation without any proof."

Cyber security had always been Huawei's top priority and Huawei was a trusted partner for all the main telecom carriers in Czech Republic, he said.

"There are no laws or regulations in China to compel Huawei, or any other company, to install 'mandatory back doors'," he said, a reference to U.S. warnings that Huawei's network gear could contain 'back doors' that would allow Chinese spies to hack into critical network infrastructure.

"Huawei has never received any such request from any government and we would never agree to it," the spokesman said.

A call to ZTE's office in London was not answered.

Some operators have tested 5G in some locations in the Czech Republic, while the investment group PPF, which owns the leading infrastructure provider, CETIN, has signed a memorandum of understanding with Huawei to cooperate on 5G. An auction of frequencies for the 5G transmission is planned for 2019.

U.S. government officials have been pressuring Deutsche Telekom, the majority owner of T-Mobile US, to stop using Huawei equipment, sources say.

Japan plans to ban government purchases of equipment from Huawei and ZTE to beef up its defenses against intelligence leaks and cyber attacks, sources told Reuters this month.

New Zealand's intelligence agency last month rejected a telecoms provider's request to use Huawei 5G equipment and Australia has banned Huawei from supplying 5G equipment. Both countries cited national security concerns.

The arrest of a top Huawei executive in Vancouver at the request of U.S. authorities on Dec. 1 has sparked a diplomatic dispute. Meng Wanzhou, Huawei's chief financial officer and the daughter of its founder, faces U.S. allegations that she misled multinational banks about Iran-linked transactions, putting the banks at risk of violating U.S. sanctions. (Reporting by Robert Muller; Editing by Adrian Croft)
 

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Well, I would rather trust government officials in such matters...
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Which government or government officials to trust in such matters, I suppose becomes the question. Germany has been spied on by friend and foe alike, from Head of State on down, as Snowden & Wikileaks revealed. Are they a more neutral party vis-a-vis China? I'm not sure.

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We won't be having a word with local firms until then
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18 Dec 2018 at 18:30

Germany's top cybersecurity official has said he hasn't seen any evidence for the espionage allegations against Huawei.

Arne Schönbohm, president of the German Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), the nation's cyber-risk assessment agency in Bonn,
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that there is "currently no reliable evidence" of a risk from Huawei.

"For such serious decisions such as a ban, you need evidence," Schönbohm said. Should that change, the BSI will "actively approach German industry" he assured the paper.

Huawei has opened a facility in Bonn, in west Germany, where it shares code and allows Schönbohm's risk assessors to inspect Huawei kit. This is along the same lines as the UK's Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC) in Banbury, informally known as "The Cell", which addresses GCHQ's concerns about backdoors in Huawei products.

This has been running for seven years and the Oversight Board has now produced four annual reports. The most recent, in July,
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that "the Oversight Board can provide only limited assurance that all risks to UK national security from Huawei's involvement in the UK's critical networks have been sufficiently mitigated".


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UK's Huawei handler dials back support for Chinese giant's kit in critical infrastructure

HCSEC attempts to replicate Huawei binaries from source code provided by the company to ensure end-to-end scrutiny. It hasn't fully completed this, the Oversight Board said, and also expressed concerns about third-party software (
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"There are no concerns about individual companies," Peter Altmaier, German Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy, confirmed to
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on Monday. "But each product, each device must be secure if it is going to be used in Germany."

The Five Eyes states have led concerns against Huawei without citing specific evidence. Australia confirmed in 2013 that it had blocked Huawei from its NBN fibre programme, and in August
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it from selling 5G gear. A
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last month suggested New Zealand companies were being advised to avoid doing deals with Huawei.

Twelve days ago,
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, on a US warrant over an unrelated issue: circumventing sanctions against Iran.

Huawei privately bridles at comparisons with the state-owned telco ZTE and can point out that it has been the victim of hacking. In 2014, the
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and
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reported on "Operation Shotgiant", a multiyear operation by America's National Security Agency (NSA) that infiltrated Huawei's network at its Shenzhen HQ and yielded confidential source code.

"Many of our targets communicate over Huawei produced products, we want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products," one NSA document explained.

"The Huawei revelations are devastating rebuttals to hypocritical US complaints about Chinese penetration of US networks,"
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former DoD counsel Jack Goldsmith.

Deutsche Telekom has a close strategic relationship with Huawei but said it was
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matters this week. Orange pledged to continue its relationships with Huawei's European 5G rivals, Nokia and Ericsson.

Which comes as relief for the latter. The UK's O2 is reportedly seeking up to £100m in damages from Ericsson for a
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that deprived over 30 million customers of
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Equation

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Direct democracy : )

That is the answer for the world problems : P

Unfortunately, bringing back old arguments in which you were already defeated isn't going to make the right the second... or third time around. The masses don't have the organization, intellect, or education to make correct choices without a leader. You could not point out even 1 modern country that uses direct democracy; you couldn't even find a company that could survive on the model. The only time direct democracy is used is when governments collapse and people kill each other freely making the largest mob the final voice. Somalia has this kind of direct democracy; go check it out!:p
 

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Another forgotten front of cold trade war.

Come Dec 2019 two more are due for renewal out of three minimal for the system to work.
Will Trump say US leaves WTO by then?
So much for rule based world order.

China, EU decry U.S. tariffs, blockage of Appellate Body appointments
Source: Xinhua| 2018-12-19 16:51:59|Editor: ZX

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GENEVA, Dec. 19 (Xinhua) -- China and the European Union (EU), among other members of the World Trade Organization (WTO), have accused the United States of imposing protectionist trade measures and paralyzing the WTO by blocking new appointments to its dispute settlement mechanism, the Appellate Body.

During the 14th Trade Policy Review of the United States that started Monday, China's Ambassador to the WTO Zhang Xiangchen said "it is ... unfortunate that we are seeing, since the last trade policy review, especially during the past year, a different America with severely mismatched power and responsibility."

Recalling the additional tariff measures applied since the beginning of this year by Washington on steel and aluminum, among others, Zhang said that the measures allow "protectionism to be at large" under the pretext of national security, and "bring back to life the ghost of unilateralism that has been dormant for decades."

Zhang also criticized the blockage of the selection of WTO Appellate Body members, warning that the blockage "practically digs out the crown-jewel of the multilateral trading system."

The ambassador said that China, along with the EU and some other members, lately tabled a joint proposal for the reform of the Appellate Body and his country also raised three fundamental principles and five proposals concerning reforms of the WTO.

China hopes to work with all members of the organization, including the United States, to push for necessary reforms at the WTO through consultations "on equal grounds," to make the organization "up-to-date with the realities, adaptable to the developments of the economic globalization and responsive to the expectations from the global business community," he said.

Marc Vanheukelen, EU Ambassador to the WTO, warned that "the multilateral trading system is in a deep crisis, and the United States is at its epicenter."

"Today, unfortunately, (U.S. protectionist) rhetoric has turned into reality, and the repercussions of tariffs and other restrictions are being felt at the heart of this organization, and more generally in global growth prospects," he said.

Vanheukelen also said the EU deeply regrets the current crisis in the Appellate Body.

Harm to the independence of adjudicators will not lead to reform but rather to a collapse of the multilateral trading system that has benefited us all, the EU ambassador said.

The Appellate Body functions as the WTO's de facto court of appeals and is composed of seven members. However, only three of the seven members are in office since the United States has refused to initiate the process to fill vacancies.

On the same occasion, a Japanese representative said that Japan "deeply regrets" the national security measures on steel and aluminum, as such actions disrupt the global market and have a negative impact on the multilateral trading system.

Trade policy reviews, in which WTO members' trade and related policies are examined and evaluated at regular intervals, aim to increase the transparency of the members' trade policies.

Significant developments that may have an impact on the global trading system are also monitored.

The United States on Monday held the first session of its 14th WTO Trade Policy Review, which will continue on Wednesday.
 
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