Trade War with China

gelgoog said:

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China has had some successes in the machine tool industry. Like for example when they bought KUKA in Germany (a deal which I'm still unsure how the Germans even allowed to pass). Can you even remember the name of a single heavy construction machine vendor from China? Because I sure can't. Let alone precision machine tools.

China has had successes in the solar cell and battery cell markets but the semiconductor market will be a lot tougher to crack.

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China is evaluating the impact of the United States' decision to impose additional tariffs on 200 billion U.S. dollars worth of Chinese products, the Ministry of Commerce (MOC) said on Thursday.

"As we can see so far, the products involve six categories, including electromechanical, light industry, textiles and garments, resources and chemical products, agricultural products and pharmaceutical products, and foreign enterprises are likely to account for almost half of the affected enterprises," MOC spokesman Gao Feng told a news conference.

The unilateral trade protectionist measures of the U.S. hurt not only the interests of enterprises and consumers of both China and the U.S. but also the security of the global industrial chain and supply chain, said Gao.

Gao said China is currently working on targeted measures and will release and implement the measures at an appropriate time to help Chinese and foreign enterprises in China cope with possible difficulties and challenges.

In response to questions that some exporters have shifted focus into the domestic market, Gao said some foreign trade enterprises, including foreign-funded enterprise, had explored the domestic market in China due to its size and high consumption potential.

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Hendrik_2000 said:

You are really hiding in a cave Your ignorance know no bound Yes I can it is called SANY and this year it will eclipse Caterpilar as the biggest front loader manufacturer in the world
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ne...ogical-development.t4270/page-445#post-519883

Here another one Zoomlion. they make all kind of heavy machinery

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AssassinsMace said:

China should be looking at a future where there's no trade with the US regardless.

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Anlsvrthng said:

China never needed the USA pr Europe.

There is bigger population than the above together, so all that it takes is to organise it based on Chinese values.

I never understand ed why they needed all that trade thingies in first place.

China is a 1.3 billion country ,if they doing nothing else just implementing legal stuff in the level of the 17. century Dutch legal system they would catch up in no time without trade to the US .

Seriously, what is so special in that 600 million US/European ? Why China needed them in the past forty years at all ?

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AssassinsMace said:

China should be looking at a future where there's no trade with the US regardless. That's the way to negate people like Trump. Trump attacks the US's closest allies. You think Trump can rally the world to embargo China into his cause? And for what reason? Because they don't want China advancing in technology and wants it to commit to that in writing where they can punish China if it dares to commit the crime of advancing? That's why trade is being used as a front. If it were really about fair trade why not just engineer trade to be so-called equal instead of this dance with tariffs. No need for negotiation. No, Trump is threatening it all. Trump want something beyond trade.

I'll let you in on a secret... The US can't leave China alone. China has its own economic ecology of over a billion people that they don't control. So do not think they can get the world to ignore China like it were a small banana republic. Just look at Hollywood as an example. They keep threatening to leave China because of what they think is unfair treatment in China. Well why don't they? Get out! It's not like Chinese movies compete with them internationally. They hold a monopoly on world markets yet they still want in. Simply, they can't make money if they're not in China. Look at Google and how they thought they were bigger than China to then take on China in thinking somehow it's a greater loss to China if they weren't there. Google set the stage for every corporation in the world not to mess with China. And now Google is seeking a way back in. Google is big without China and yet they still want in. All these successful entities without China means it goes beyond money. It's also about power. You even see today how the US government is questioning the power these types of companies have because they can sway elections. The US is no different from these corporations so don't be manipulated by talk of how the US is doing better than China and that's how they'll get everything they want from China. Just like they think China will always need them and the US turning its back on China will result in upheavals and a revolution in their favor. Yeah the Chinese don't start a revolution because their human rights are being violated by their own government but they'll start one if they think Beijing is at fault for losing the love of the US... They need China because they know it exists. That's why China will always have that card. They will always want in.

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Anlsvrthng said:

This are agricultural / building industry machines, and they are not certified even by the US/EU emission norms and standards .

And these are not CNC manufacturing machines or production lines.

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  As the world's largest machine tool market, China achieved machine tool sales of RMB199.6 billionin 2016, a figure on a par with the last year. However, the penetration of CNC machine tools remained low, only 25.7% in 2016, a huge gap compared with 60%-70% in developed countries.
  
  China manufactured 282,900 CNC machine tools in 2016, a 5.7% rise from a year earlier, including 63,791 CNC lathes (up 3.9% YoY), 37,698 machining center (up 8.8% YoY) and 1,391 CNC grinders (down 1.6% YoY).
  
  Major Chinese CNC machine tool manufacturers include Dalian Machine Tool Group, Shenyang Machine Tool (Group), JIER Machine Tool Group, Jiangsu Yawei Machine-Tool, Ningbo Haitian Precision Machinery, Qinchuan Machine Tool & Tool Group and Wuhan Huazhong Numerical Control. Due to Shenyang Machine Tool (Group)'s years of losses and Dalian Machine Tool Group's bond defaults, the market concentration slipped critically with top5 enterprises holding a combined 30% market share in 2016.
  
  Geographically, Northeast China and East China are main production bases for CNC metal-cutting machine tools (CNC lathe, machining center), while the Yangtze River Delta region is the major production base for CNC grinder and functional parts (ball screw and linear guideway). East China and Northeast China together seized about 73.6% of CNC metal-cutting machine tool market in 2016, compared with an 88% share for Central China and East China in CNC metal–forming machine tool market.
  
  CNC machine tool technology will move towards two directions in China:
  
  1. New complex machining tools like turn-milling & mill-turning machine tool, turning-grinding center, gear machining machine tool, turn-milling and 5-axle linkage machine tool continue to spring up; the trend of complex machining becomes more obvious as heavy machine tools are added with multifunctional attachments and rotary table.
  
  2. As power electronics and CNC technology advance and the parts like linear motor, torque motor, motorized spindle and grating calibration become more mature, the direct-drive technology finds application in CNC machine tool at a faster speed, greatly promoting changes in the structure of and improvement in performance of CNC machine tools.
  
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  Upstream (numerical control system, servo system) and downstream (automobile, aviation, rail transit equipment, electronic information) sectors of CNC machine tool industry in China;
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