Trade War with China

Status
Not open for further replies.

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
China's June exports seen solid as trade war with U.S. heats up

Reuters Staff
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


BEIJING (Reuters) - China’s exports growth is expected to have cooled only slightly in June, possibly further boosting a trade surplus with the United States in a test for Beijing as it tries to weather a volley of U.S. tariffs on its goods that many fear could harm its economy.

The Trump administration on Tuesday raised the stakes in its trade dispute with China, saying it would slap 10 percent tariffs on an extra $200 billion worth of Chinese imports, including numerous consumer items.

Washington’s latest move came only days after it imposed 25 percent tariffs on $34 billion of Chinese imports, drawing rapid retaliatory duties by Beijing on the same amount of U.S. exports to China.

All the same, given the most recent round of tit-for-tat tariffs went into effect only on Friday, there has been little impact on China’s overseas shipments to date.

“All in all, the trade impact of the first round of the tariff should have a very limited impact on China’s exports to the U.S., with the maximum loss of $5 billion,” Alicia Garcia Herrero, Chief Economist at Natixis Asia Research, wrote in a recent note.


That view was backed by the Reuters poll of 39 economists, which forecast Chinese exports growth of 10 percent year-on-year in June, cooling slightly from a 12.6 percent rise in May.

China’s Ministry of Commerce said last week it would encourage exporters to develop new export markets, and would also use funds collected from tariffs to ease the impact from U.S. trade actions on companies.

Imports growth was also expected to remain solid at 20.8 percent last month, the third straight month of 20-plus percent growth, albeit slowing again from the 26 percent surge in May.

FOCUS ON CHINA’S US TRADE SURPLUS
There is also likely to be considerable focus on the U.S.-China trade balance as U.S. President Donald Trump has railed against China’s sizable surplus with the world’s no. 1 economy and has demanded Beijing take measures to cut it.

The poll showed China’s overall trade surplus likely widened to $27.61 billion in June from $24.92 billion in May. There was no separate forecast on China’s trade surplus with the United States which has continued to grow even as its total surplus has narrowed over the last two years.


China ran a $375 billion goods trade surplus with the United States in 2017.

Worryingly, there have been few signs that either Beijing or Washington are prepared to ratchet down the trade frictions.

China said on Wednesday that the latest U.S. actions were “completely unacceptable” and that it would be forced to respond.

While there have been few signs the trade tussle is having a broader impact so far, analysts expect China’s export growth to slow in the second half of the year and fear that a prolonged row with the U.S. could put an already slowing economy on the skids.

The commerce ministry confirmed last month that Chinese exporters were front-loading shipments to the U.S. to get ahead of expected tariffs - a situation that could exacerbate any slowdown in shipments towards year-end.

“I think Chinese leaders do think they will obviously be hit significantly by all this damage from a trade war but they think they can probably ride it out economically,” said Louis Kuijs, Hong Kong-based Head of Asia Economics at Oxford Economics.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
This could go on till Christmas.

Wall Street slides as U.S.-China trade war escalates

By Amy Caren Daniel

(Reuters) - U.S stocks slid on Wednesday amid a broad selloff on escalating trade war tensions after the United States threatened to impose tariffs on an additional $200 billion worth of Chinese goods.

Washington on Tuesday issued a list of thousands of Chinese imports that the Trump administration wants to target with new tariffs. In response, China accused the United States of bullying and warned it would hit back.

"Unfortunately the markets haven't come to grips with the current levels of trade policies and tariffs," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at B. Riley FBR in New York

"Concerns over trade and trade wars are really having an adverse effect, less so on the U.S. markets than the international markets, but it is certainly taking a bite."

Adding to tensions was the NATO summit in Brussels, where President Donald Trump accused Germany of being a "captive" of Russia. He also wants Europeans to pay more for their own defense.

At 10:04 a.m. EDT the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 141.78 points, or 0.57 percent, at 24,777.88, the S&P 500 was down 11.70 points, or 0.42 percent, at 2,782.14 and the Nasdaq Composite was down 22.36 points, or 0.29 percent, at 7,736.84.

The biggest drags on the blue-chip Dow were Boeing, 3M, Caterpillar and United Technologies. Their shares were down between 1.2 percent and 2 percent.

Ten of the 11 major sectors were lower. The S&P industrials sector tumbled 1.22 percent, making it the biggest decliner and drag on the benchmark S&P.

The technology sector slid 0.21 percent. Chipmakers, which largely depend on China for their revenue, weighed the most, with the Philadelphia semiconductor index falling 1.43 percent.

The defensive utilities sector was the only one in the positive territory, with a 0.35 percent gain.

21st Century Fox fell 2.2 percent after the media company raised its offer for Britain's Sky, seeing off rival bidder Comcast for now. Comcast rose 1.5 percent.

Fastenal's shares rose 5.4 percent, the most on the S&P, after the industrial products distributor's Q2 revenue and profit topped estimates.

The next biggest gainer was TripAdvisor, which rose 3.4 percent on a Barclays rating upgrade.

Declining issues outnumbered advancers for a 2.19-to-1 ratio on the NYSE and a 1.40-to-1 ratio on the Nasdaq.

The S&P index recorded eight new 52-week highs and one new low, while the Nasdaq recorded 27 new highs and 18 new lows.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 
I still don't see your point ...
last try then:

I concentrated on rhetoric; either you see a difference in this respect between
Opinion: China should prepare for a full-scale trade war
2018-07-11 15:19 GMT+8
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
(which I called "defensive" Today at 1:22 PM) and for example
Commentary: U.S. trade bullying leads nowhere
Xinhua 2018-07-11 20:51:59
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, or you don't
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Is this what Trump calls "forced transfer of technology" or "theft of IP"? (source CNN)
But the Chinese government has been under pressure from the United States and European countries on forced joint ventures and China's alleged theft of intellectual property. That was the justification used by the Trump administration for the tariffs imposed by the United States on $50 billion of
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Is this what Trump calls "forced transfer of technology" or "theft of IP"? (source CNN)
But the Chinese government has been under pressure from the United States and European countries on forced joint ventures and China's alleged theft of intellectual property. That was the justification used by the Trump administration for the tariffs imposed by the United States on $50 billion of
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Yes that is it there is no law or rule in China that forced western company to hand over technology just as Plawolf said "Nobody point a loaded gun on the head of western CEO and forced them to share technology"
All the proof they have is circumstantial or hearsay that does not stand on rigorous cross checking in the judicial court That is the reason they don't dare to bring it in front of WTO. Instead they took unilateral action And use their powerful media to slander and defame China

Most country in developing world will demand foreign investor to partner with local. It is the price you pay to entered their market. And in the early year of reform it is beneficial to have local partner to negotiate complex rule and bureaucracy thru connection or grease the palm of official. Back then the rule is not clear and transparent

Those companies freely entered in the agreement maybe they reason it will take China a long time to come up with copy. By then they moved into something else . What they didn't realized is the speed of China technological
prowess. And the size of Chinese market make them salivating for more But they can't have it due to competition. It is more of "Buyer remorse"
Of course if you form joint venture it allow the partner to have a peek at your technology

But Chinese company now outgrow that mod of operation that is why they slowly dismantle that joint venture requirement
BTW joint venture requirement is sanction by WTO because of China's status as developing country.
The rule is agreed by 162 countries that signed the "international rule" including US

Now when it come to SCS the western media scream out their lung "rule of law" but they applied it selectively So much for hypocrisy
 
Last edited:

Chin evan

New Member
Registered Member
Yes that is it there is no law or rule in China that forced western company to hand over technology just as Plawolf said "Nobody point a loaded gun on the head of western CEO and forced them to share technology"
All the proof they have is circumstantial or hearsay that does not stand on rigorous cross checking in the judicial court That is the reason they don't dare to bring it in front of WTO. Instead they took unilateral action And use their powerful media to slander and defame China

Most country in developing world will demand foreign investor to partner with local. It is the price you pay to entered their market. And in the early year of reform it is beneficial to have local partner to negotiate complex rule and bureaucracy thru connection or grease the palm of official. Back then the rule is not clear and transparent

Those companies freely entered in the agreement maybe they reason it will take China a long time to come up with copy. By then they moved into something else . What they didn't realized is the speed of China technological
prowess. And the size of Chinese market make them salivating for more But they can't have it due to competition. It is more of "Buyer remorse"
Of course if you form joint venture it allow the partner to have a peek at your technology

But Chinese company now outgrow that mod of operation that is why they slowly dismantle that joint venture requirement
BTW joint venture requirement is sanction by WTO because of China's status as developing country.
The rule is agreed by 162 countries that signed the "international rule" including US

Now when it come to SCS the western media scream out their lung "rule of law" but they applied it selectively So much for hypocrisy

Malaysia used to practice the same as you mention, not sure about now but i presum little has changed.
 
This could go on till Christmas.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

The Trump administration has the next round of tariffs timed to take effect around September after the back-to-school shopping season, the last major shopping season before midterm elections in November, so most shoppers/voters will be casting their votes before having to experience any negative consequences from Trump's trade war during a major shopping season - the Christmas shopping season.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The media is trying to interpret anything as China "blinking" in the US's trade war. Here's the US blinking. Trump is calling for the WTO to take trade action against China. In other words the US needs other parties to go after China so to lessen China's retaliation from being completely focused on the US. Not so omnipotent as they think when it comes to trade. Yes they're gloating that China can't slap as many tariff's on US products simply because of the trade imbalance in China's favor. As was leaked before that Tim Cook supposedly got assurances from Trump not to slap tariffs that would disrupt Apple's business in China... The US is running out of Chinese targets already and will now have to slap tariffs on products made in China for US corporations. That's when you'll see the real hurt happening to the US. No Christmas presents this year, kiddies.
 
now I read even this
Opinion: China-US trade war is a 'war'
2018-07-12 13:08 GMT+8
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Donald Trump seems to be steadfast going down the dark road of a trade war. The US Trade Representative has just announced to impose 10 percent of tariffs on an additional 200 billion US dollars of Chinese goods.

The trade relations between China and the US has been poisoned after the US levied a 25 percent of tariffs on up to 50 billion US dollars of Chinese goods on July 6, 2018.

The new punitive duty of such a scale, when imposed, is expected to hinder the trade flows between the two countries. The financial market has reportedly reacted to hedge against the gigantic risks arising from there.

Apparently, the businessmen-turned-president has been attempting to coerce a huge concession from China since he announced his threatened punitive tariff months ago. This time his brinksmanship has pushed events to the brink.

With the imminent unprecedented tariffs, the economy of the country is at risk. With the trade war of such an unprecedented scale, the world peace is at stake.

All the resources are to be mobilized to stop the war when needed. Diplomatic resources shall first be fully exploited. China should not only use the WTO as the forum to challenge the scrupulous and heinous breach of international trade agreements on the US side but resort to the Security Council of the United Nations for urgent consultation.

The US trade war against China is not limited to trade. The political hostility of the Trump Administration towards China is palpable.

The trade war will have a devastating impact on millions of ordinary Chinese people, as well as the livelihood of millions of people in other countries involved in the stream of commerce, and constitutes a threat to the world peace.

Given its unprecedentedly huge impact, the trade war should be deemed to be a real war waged in the name of defending the fair trade. On the ground of maintaining peace and security of the world, any country affected may bring the trade war to the attention to the Security Council which under the UN Charter has the primary responsibility in this regard.

As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, it is also the responsibility for China and other permanent member states to bring the matter before the Security Council.

Of course, it is almost for sure that the Trump Administration will attempt to block such a matter being discussed in the Security Council by using its veto power.

Nevertheless, referring the trade war to the Security Council itself conveys a message of the intolerance of the Chinese government to the apparent threat to the world peace and the determination of Chinese people to fight back this special war.

Also, the mere fact that the US hegemony is again to be exposed to the rest of the world will become a catalyst to the unity of the international trade community.

The Chinese nation is at a critical time. Act now! The world peace is in jeopardy. The international trade community should unite to act.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Malaysia used to practice the same as you mention, not sure about now but i presum little has changed.

Yeah India , Indonesia also practice "joint venture" requirement. anyway there are plenty of supply for Soy bean China has no problem buying soy bean from Latin America

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
·
South America has outperformed the US in exporting soybeans to China

China Grain Reserves Corporation (Sinograin) has reportedly stopped purchasing soybeans from the US since April, but mainly from South America, including Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay.

According to Sinograin, 26.2 percent of imported soybeans were from Brazil in 2017, followed by Argentina and Uruguay with 43.2 percent. Soybeans from the US accounted for 30.6 percent.

“Sinograin has proactively adjusted its sources to reduce the risk of excessive concentration, and has developed a stable and diversified international trade channel over the past two years,” an official from Sinograin said. The official mentioned that Sinograin prefers major soybean suppliers that maintain a good trade relationship with China, with stable policies, and with lower import taxes.

South American soybeans now account for a higher portion of China’s imports, as much as 60 percent. According to statistics from Chinese customs, soybean imports reached 93.49 million tons from 2016 to 2017, of which 45.34 million tons were from Brazil, taking 48.5% of the total, up 1.7% compared with the past three years. Meanwhile, 36.84 million tons were from the US, accounting for 39.4%, with 1% down compared to the past three years.

“With a great reserve system and advanced processing and circulation capacity, China can respond well to regulation and control changes, and ensure supply and stabilize the market at any time,” the official added.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top