The War in the Ukraine

phrozenflame

phrozenflame

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Atomicfrog said:
It's clearly a pain... all mechanical and industrial process that take time are bugged down with that kind of cuts.

A cut of 6 hours to a foundry, a chemical plants or a fermenter can take days to make it working again some time way more. Batches will need to be scrapped and sometimes machinery replace because of caulked conduits and heat spikes for example. Imagine a steel parts plant that produce ammo cast when the rolling press just stop mid course and the metal cool down....

All the time used to repair them cannot be used for something else.. all the weapon system and troops used to protect them cannot be sent to the front.

If you think about capturing them, making just enough damage to be a constant nuisance is sapping the workforce and parts logistic chains.
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They're running on aid anyway. Point is if Russia cannot enforce persistence power outage, then at best, it's partial success.
 
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phrozenflame said:
How is Ukraine able to restore power after the infra gets hit? I mean, attack on infra is pointless if a persistent-no-power stage is not achieved for a few weeks. They get daily power cuts, that's not such a big deal or am I missing something here
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Russia has been hitting distribution equipment/grid not the power generation plants .Once shit hits the fan ,expect all those power plants to be taken out
 
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I think there are a number of indirect benefits for Russian strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure:
  • Forces more Ukrainian air defenses systems to be deployed protecting infrastructure rather than being used tactically closer to the battlefield.
  • Without access to the power grid more Ukrainian operations will need to rely on diesel powered generators and locomotives. The heat signatures alone make them more vulnerable to Russian strikes.
  • Asymmetrical costs greatly favor the attacker. A $50,000 drone taking out a $1,000,000 transformer is a good tradeoff.
The main counterargument I believe is whether those benefits outweigh the opportunity cost of using those drones and precision weapons on Ukrainian military targets instead.
 
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phrozenflame said:
How is Ukraine able to restore power after the infra gets hit? I mean, attack on infra is pointless if a persistent-no-power stage is not achieved for a few weeks. They get daily power cuts, that's not such a big deal or am I missing something here
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Restoring power is a relative term. What's left of the infrastructure might provide enough power for certain parts of a city but not all of it plus you also need to balance it with whatever's left of your industry, and so on.

According to the Ukranian Air Force spokeman, Yuri Ignat, the way they tally missiles shotdown is by having soldiers go around to pick up debris, but they don't bother to identify whether the debris are russian or ukranian
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614731405115940865
 
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Ukraine’s leadership and power sector companies have pledged to keep fixing the grid, even as Russia continues to attack it. Hundreds of technicians from Ukrenergo, Ukraine’s electrical grid operator, and DTEK, the country’s largest private power company, have been working around the clock since September to repair substations and transmission lines.

They face an uphill battle. Most of Ukraine’s power plants and substations have been attacked by Russia, sometimes more than once. In total, over 40% of Ukraine’s power system has been damaged. Despite electricity consumption being down by an average of 35% since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion due to the refugee exodus and massive destruction caused by Putin’s troops, Ukraine is unable to meet around 30% of current domestic demand.
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Based on those figures it suggests that Ukraine's current electricity consumption is at approximately 45% of its pre-war level. And this is coming from a highly pro-Ukrainian American think tank.
 
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