The War in the Ukraine

Temstar

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We've long known that AFU has some sort of rudimentary informationization based on commercial internet infrastructure, Starlink and smart phones. It seems someone in DPR have managed to hack into one aspect of it called DELTA. I'm not sure why Russians would make this known instead of keeping it themselves and keep making use of the information, they work in mysterious ways.

But anyway look at the information that was accessed:
This may have some effect on recent battlefield performance.
 

Atomicfrog

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Why does Russia wait for a provocation to happen in order to destroy these targets?
Still going with the soft approach.
Clearly strange, it's like if they are continuing to think they will give-up somehow and want to keep most stuff in running order. They will need to kick them way more for them to raise the white flags with all the small battlefield victories transformed into ''we are taking Vladivostok''. Russian setback are clearly a way to feed the zealots and still not good for Russia ego.
 
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Phead128

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Sergei Lavrov says Putin is always open to negotiations with Western colleagues.
"[We are] ready to talk with the West about reducing tensions," Lavrov said on Sunday, adding Russia's leadership, "especially Putin, is still ready for negotiations regarding Ukraine."
The prospect of negotiation would, however, realize "only if there are realistic proposals based on an equal approach," Lavrov added.
“I hope that, in addition to reproducing in contacts through diplomatic agencies and other channels what they publicly say in propaganda zeal, they will be able to offer us some serious approaches that will contribute to de-escalation of tensions and fully take into account the interests of the Russian Federation and its security.”
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So Putin is still holding out hope that US/NATO/Ukraine would negotiate on the security architecture of Eastern Europe.

It explains why Russia only escalating when it gets kicked in the shins. However, this piecemeal reactionary tendency is likely insufficient to force Kiev to sue for peace. As @Atomicfrog mentioned, a more proactive aggressive strategy is needed for Ukraine to consider the white flag and suing for peace.
 

Anlsvrthng

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So Putin is still holding out hope that US/NATO/Ukraine would negotiate on the security architecture of Eastern Europe.

It explains why Russia only escalating when it gets kicked in the shins. However, this piecemeal reactionary tendency is likely insufficient to force Kiev to sue for peace. As @Atomicfrog mentioned, a more proactive aggressive strategy is needed for Ukraine to consider the white flag and suing for peace.
They will negotiate not because they have choice, but because they haven't.

It is true for many things.

Considering that the NATO exhausted its options against Russia outside of direct war , and Russia still at the begining of the excallation options then at same point of future the NATO or the individual countries has to sit down with Russian and make an agreement.

Read the whole thread.

We've long known that AFU has some sort of rudimentary informationization based on commercial internet infrastructure, Starlink and smart phones. It seems someone in DPR have managed to hack into one aspect of it called DELTA. I'm not sure why Russians would make this known instead of keeping it themselves and keep making use of the information, they work in mysterious ways.

But anyway look at the information that was accessed:

This may have some effect on recent battlefield performance.
Seriously, who care?

I spent lot of time from my life to implement less ambitious information gathering + C&C systems for manufacturing plans, and the outcome is simple : the capability of any system depending on the capability and skill level of the persons using it, not the individual details of the tools/system components or the cleverness of the person whom created the management software.

Means a capable military unit with signal flags will outperform a bad one with the most modern softwares,tablets, servers and satelite communications.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Why does Russia wait for a provocation to happen in order to destroy these targets?
Still going with the soft approach.
The Russians have always been more reactive than active, at least since the beginning of the invasion. For example, the low effectives factor and the problems arising from it began to be visible even under the direction of Aleksandr Dvornikov who took a good part of the attrition war against the AFU. They spent months in a war of attrition keeping the rules of engagement of an SMO with a low manpower and still decreasing the number of troops across the more than 1,000 km of frontline because of rotation. As much as the troops are professional and experienced, achieving success in an extremely long front line with low manpower is a very difficult task, you can't have consistency across the front line, you can't hit the entire front line with low effectives, besides, you can't keep the effective forever on the front line, you need to retract, rest, recompose yourself, assimilate reserves, among other things.

The Americans faced the same problem in Vietnam, when they invaded, they started with few troops and the number of troops on the ground grew and reached half a million at the peak, in Iraq the same thing - David Petraeus asked for an increase in troops, in Afghanistan the same thing, General Stanley McChrystal even calling for an abysmal increase in troops in Afghanistan "to solve the problem". It's a recurring error. The Russians decided to do this when they were expelled from Kharkiv.

Another mistake that is being corrected is not attacking Ukrainian logistics centers. Bridges, railways, power generation centers, C2 centers, that changed when the Crimean bridge was attacked by the Ukrainians.

It is the Russian attempt to put the lock after the door has already been breached.

Another situation is that of NATO's ISR assets providing and transmitting real-time information to the AFU. Think about Moskva, death of generals, the recent case of the attack on Sevastopol among many other embarrassing situations that Russians go through, it ends up being a huge mistake to let these assets operate freely, in tactical terms, this is a huge mistake. Personnel may claim that these assets are in international airspace, but they are in a hostile attitude towards Russia. There are two cases of countries that solved this by ending the problem:

Iran -
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The US claims it was in international airspace, while Iran claims it was in national airspace.

North Korea -
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The incident took place in disputed waters. North Korea denies to this day that it sank, but indications point out that it really was North Korea.

These two countries above do not bluff. If you have to take it down, they take it down. The Russians since the incident of the Type 45 that passed near the Crimea and moved away under bomb and fire from the Russians gave an indication of that same active positioning of action, but now they do nothing about NATO ISR assets.
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Now, this stuff is interesting:
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Usually people think only of the Francis Gary Powers case, but there are dozens of other similar cases.

Returning to Russia, Ukraine and NATO. If Russia overthrows it, can it cause world war? Probably yes. But it's a mistake for Russia to do nothing about it, if it can't take down, at least antagonize, the incident of the missile firing at the RC-135 is a good way to do that, only now they're escorted by fighter jets after that. .
 

Zichan

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Those drone boats were made to be low observable including in the IR spectrum so I sorta can't really give the Russian navy that much of a hard time. It really is very difficult to hit a fast moving small boat.


Just imagine trying to take out a boat that you have no idea is getting near you and has a lower profile than these practice target boats.

US, Chinese and all the big navies are likely saying oh crap this is just another headache to worry about.
All the major navies have been long aware of the threat. That’s why they have gun ammo like STRALES and are developing naval laser weapons to deal with swarm attacks.
 

Abominable

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Read the whole thread.

We've long known that AFU has some sort of rudimentary informationization based on commercial internet infrastructure, Starlink and smart phones. It seems someone in DPR have managed to hack into one aspect of it called DELTA. I'm not sure why Russians would make this known instead of keeping it themselves and keep making use of the information, they work in mysterious ways.

But anyway look at the information that was accessed:
This may have some effect on recent battlefield performance.
Interesting to see what systems the Ukros have available to him.

As to why this is all being released, the "hack" could just be bribing/stealing the login credentials of a Ukrainian official. Maybe he had access then lost it.

I also think a lot of these hackers are operating independently and not in coordination with Russian officials, hence the unprofessionalism. It's like those pranksters who gained access to senior government officials only to prank them. A real FSB agent would be asking meaningful questions rather than getting them to say dumb stuff on camera.

The Russians gaining access to UK government phones (probably via Israeli pegasus) is a good example of this. You don't hear anything from the Russians about it except when they said they have proof of UK involvement of the North stream bombing, and an "oh shit" moment from the UK.
 
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