The War in the Ukraine

memfisa

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In the unlikely event of NATO or some weirdo country deciding it wants to directly intervene, how on earth, like our friend is suggesting, do they plan to operate from airbases 1000 km away, relying on refueling tankers? This is not carrier operations where aircraft are topped up after take off, these big airships need to get in range of long range AAM and SAMs. These are critical assets that are very difficult to replace if they are lost, and there is not alot of them

Does anyone know what the rcs of a refueling aircraft, or the awacs and isr aircraft required to coordinate this air war, is? Its very f-ing big. Things like rivet joints and e3s flying around safely in states not at war, would cease to exist the moment the Russians saw this air war being prepared.
 
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Atomicfrog

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Ukraine land for agro is so important now that denying it to some one else is worth more than getting rid of most cold war relic equipment.

The only thing interesting from from General interview was use of 7,000 air lunched guided missiles from strategic and tactical aviation.
since most of tactical aviation is Su-25/attack choppers we can presume majority of those 7,000 are long range weapons.
this in addition to ground and sea launched missiles. I doubt any one has industrial capacity to make so many missiles and launch them.
The grain will be available after the war if they want to buy from Russia or an intermediate... The number of missile is quite interesting, it will even be more interesting to see if they are able to build their stockpiles back in less than one decade or two...
 

SolarWarden

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Well.... the world had a good run and reckon all good things come to an end I suppose.

I knew it was too good to be true. My San Diego Padres(MLB baseball team) are having a year like no other and it wouldn't surprise me, and it would be typical for a Padre's fans, if they are a game away from winning the championship, WW3 starts and last game gets canceled. Hopefully WW3 can hold off after Nov. 5th.
 

pmc

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The grain will be available after the war if they want to buy from Russia or an intermediate... The number of missile is quite interesting, it will even be more interesting to see if they are able to build their stockpiles back in less than one decade or two...
I wont comment on grain further.
Tactical missile corporation has about $3.4b revenue in 2017 and that with normal shifts not like 3 shifts now. if half million dollar is avg price of subsonic cruise missile. than we can conclude that 7000 air launched guided missiles are one year of production in normal circumstances. and this exclude the any further investments in equipment after 2017 that further enhance production. and most of things for domestic numbers will be classified.
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Chilled_k6

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Recently a Russian bomber launched 4 KH-101s at a thermal powerplant near Kyiv, one of which was caught on vid being shot down.


Related to Ukraine's energy situation, interview with "Director of Center of Energy Research" in Ukraine, Alexander Kharchenko.

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The CHP-6 (Combined heat and power plant) mentioned in the article is the plant being struck by KH-101s in the gif. According to Kharchenko, the main targets are the transformer substations.

NV: CHP-5 in Kharkiv, and later CHP-6 Kyiv were attacked and black smoke appeared there. Why did that happen?

Kharchenko: That’s the oil in the transformers burning. It is now one of the scarcest commodities in Ukraine. The city of Mykolaiv alone needs about 120 tons of technical oil, and without it, sometimes even barely damaged transformers cannot be repaired. They need to be refilled. When the transformer is knocked out, this means that plant cannot supply electricity to the grid. Basically, it doesn’t exist. If these transformers are destroyed, it will take a long time to build new ones. It’s not something that can be manufactured beforehand and plugged in where needed. It takes a separate project, developed for a couple of months – complex technological work that cannot be done quickly. This is what lowers the stability of the Ukrainian power grid. This is the kind of damage that degrades its resilience.

Why are Ukrainians being asked to reduce electricity consumption during peak hours? Because all those temporary solutions can’t hold under full load. And when engineers see the network cannot cope, they are forced to make emergency shutdowns. These temporary blackouts take entire sections of the grid offline, reducing the load and preventing the whole system from collapsing. If people save a little electricity, there is a chance the grid will hold after all.

The power plants in Kyiv aren't enough to sustain the city, Russia striking the power distribution nodes (transformer substations) is hurting badly, and it doesn't help that transformers need oil to operate. These aren't easy to replace and rebuilt, and fragile, but there are thousands to knock out in Ukraine. Sounds like the perfect target for Shahed-136s.

Someone else also mentioned District Heating provided by these thermal power plants in this thread, per the article this is indeed the case. He ends on an optimistic note and said that Ukraine can keep up with repairs, negotiations with Japan and other countries to get replacements, Russia doesn't have enough missiles, etc.
 

sheogorath

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I seriously doubt you can procure and install transformers faster than Kh-101 and Shahed's can be built, but I have no idea about anything of it.

The Russians could just still hit the CHP's themselves, should push come to shove, and there is no way you could replace that in a sensible amount of time
 

FriedButter

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I seriously doubt you can procure and install transformers faster than Kh-101 and Shahed's can be built, but I have no idea about anything of it.

The Russians could just still hit the CHP's themselves, should push come to shove, and there is no way you could replace that in a sensible amount of time

The article posted right above you has your answer.

"Director of Center of Energy Research" in Ukraine, Alexander Kharchenko.

If these transformers are destroyed, it will take a long time to build new ones. It’s not something that can be manufactured beforehand and plugged in where needed. It takes a separate project, developed for a couple of months – complex technological work that cannot be done quickly.
 

RottenPanzer

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Regarding the Russian usage of T-62s. reminded that the Russian has just started retiring T-62s by 2008 after the Georgian conflict and they recently started to refurbishing and using it in 2018 during Vostok Military Exercise.

So i would say that the usage of T-62s as some sort of reactionary move towards the conflict is an exaggeration
 
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