The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath said:

Compressor stall?. There is no trail heading towards the missile for it be certain it was an attempt at a shootdown

While it makes sense while looking at his map, it is misleading. It would be a 40km overshoot from where the TPP is actually located

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Yeah, I checked on google maps and it doesn't look likely. The thread on twitter is claiming the strike was against the power infrastructure but if the Russians wanted to do that they could have easily targeted the powerline on the Ukrainian side.

There's a video circulating of the site. It looks like a missile strike, not just fragments of a missile landing.

Poland considering NATO Article 4 activation, says spokesman​

WARSAW, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Poland is verifying if it needs to request consultations under Article 4 of the NATO military alliance treaty, a government spokesman said on Tuesday, after a report that a blast that killed two people near the Ukrainian border was caused by stray Russian missiles.

said they were investigating but could not confirm a report on Tuesday that the blast in the village of Przewodow resulted from stray Russian missiles. Russia's defence ministry denied it.

"A moment ago we decided to verify whether there are grounds to launch procedures under Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty," government spokesman Piotr Muller told reporters.

Article 4 allows NATO members to bring any issue of concern, especially regarding security, for discussion at the North Atlantic Council.

Muller also said Poland was increasing the readiness of some military units, but declined to take any question including about the cause of the incident.

"It was decided a moment ago to increase the readiness of some combat military units in Poland and to increase the combat readiness of other units of uniformed services in our country," he said.

#Przewodów is 4-5 km from the only active power line connecting Poland to Ukraine. One of the connections through which Ukraine and Moldova were synchronized with the European power system in February.

Zelensky seems very eager to get Nato involved beyond the current maximum stage, even before anything has been confirmed. He is dreaming of starting WWIII:

This is pure speculation, but I suspect Poland is sending real soldiers disguised as "People's Volunteers" to fight Russia into Ukraine and Russia has solid intelligence on this.... so Russia is shooting a missile at the Polish border to send a strong message. Hopefully NATO will reign in Poland. There is no way this is "accidental" overshoot.

Phead128 said:

This is pure speculation, but I suspect Poland is sending real soldiers disguised as "People's Volunteers" to fight Russia into Ukraine and Russia has solid intelligence on this.... so Russia is shooting a missile at the Polish border to send a strong message. Hopefully NATO will reign in Poland. There is no way this is "accidental" overshoot.

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It's a pretty big crater for an S300 fragmentation warhead. I suspect the whole thing is staged and probably an explosive device that was planted to sacrifice some human beings to advance the narrative to the next stage of direct NATO intervention, however your take is a refreshing counter to what I was thinking

I have zero, less than zero, faith in the deeds of America's vassal states and for good reason.

When it comes to testing like this take Iran as an example. They have tested America and NATO many times and have gotten no response. Russia is exponentially more powerful than Iran and has so far tried to avoid direct provocations but maybe patience is wearing thin.

The comming days will be interesting for any observer, a case study really

Abominable said:

Yeah, I checked on google maps and it doesn't look likely. The thread on twitter is claiming the strike was against the power infrastructure but if the Russians wanted to do that they could have easily targeted the powerline on the Ukrainian side.

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During this Russian invasion of the Ukraine we have learned that everything we think Russia can "do easily", in real life they cannot do it easily and it always turns out to be more complicated than expected by everyone... Therefore, seen I've seen it, don't rule anything out...

Phead128 said:

This is pure speculation, but I suspect Poland is sending real soldiers disguised as "People's Volunteers" to fight Russia into Ukraine and Russia has solid intelligence on this.... so Russia is shooting a missile at the Polish border to send a strong message. Hopefully NATO will reign in Poland. There is no way this is "accidental" overshoot.

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Seems like a bad counter that risks NATO retalliation. Better to answer with clandestiane operations.

Sheleah said:

During this Russian invasion of the Ukraine we have learned that everything we think Russia can "do easily", in real life they cannot do it easily and it always turns out to be more complicated than expected by everyone... Therefore, seen I've seen it, don't rule anything out...

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By their own choice, for whatever reason and mistakes rather than a lack of capability in many aspects.

ohan_qwe said:

Seems like a bad counter that risks NATO retalliation. Better to answer with clandestiane operations.

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Nah, it was necessary for Russia to slap Poland here. They think they're invincible and can steamroll Russia, so they needed to be slapped back to reality. They (and Ukraine) nothing without NATO, and NATO isn't going to let them invoke Article 5 because, well... 6,500 nuclear warheads.

2 Ukrainian BTR4E destroyed in the Kharkiv front.


3 armored vehicles destroyed by Wagner PMC.


OSA has been good in taking out Bayraktars and MLRS, but those working on the Ukrainian side has also been good in taking out various Russian stuff. This Cold War system has surprisingly proven it's worth as an AD system.


There are many losses of BMP3 early in the war, improved ones now featuring reactive armor upgrades.


These systems have been brutal, and they are getting upgrades. The Chechens are said to love them.


British Mastiff MRAP destroyed in the Ugladar front. Seeing plenty of MRAP being destroyed indicating heavy use to counter plentiful Russian minefields.