The War in the Ukraine

Abominable

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Have some patience. Ukrainian propaganda will flood the internet with "abandoned" equipment in Kherson.

Zelensky and his propaganda are best at creating "beautiful videos" and making "movies and TV shows." For example, the same captured equipment in March near Kiev can be presented as captured equipment in November in Kherson and so on as many times as necessary. Or we could film our own destroyed equipment, marking it with a Z.
There was only a need for those propaganda videos when Ukraine was losing. Now they are actually retaking Ukrainian cities they can tell their propaganda department to take a well earned break.

FWIW I still think the war is salvagable for Russia. It would be an odd decision to mobilise 300,000 soldiers if you were just going to sign a peace treaty before they could be deployed.
 

Lokos

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There was only a need for those propaganda videos when Ukraine was losing. Now they are actually retaking Ukrainian cities they can tell their propaganda department to take a well earned break.

FWIW I still think the war is salvagable for Russia. It would be an odd decision to mobilise 300,000 soldiers if you were just going to sign a peace treaty before they could be deployed.
The definition of "Salvageable" gets redefined every day. At this point, Russia will have to accept the fact that the current Pro west Kyiv regime will stay.
 

Anlsvrthng

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The definition of "Salvageable" gets redefined every day. At this point, Russia will have to accept the fact that the current Pro west Kyiv regime will stay.
How you came to this conslusion ?

The NATO conquered Ukrainan territory, but lost lot of man and machine.

Russia lost Ukrianan territory, but keept man and machine intact.

Who will protect Kiev if there is no more soldier left ?
 

tankphobia

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How you came to this conslusion ?

The NATO conquered Ukrainan territory, but lost lot of man and machine.

Russia lost Ukrianan territory, but keept man and machine intact.

Who will protect Kiev if there is no more soldier left ?
Since the beginning of the war Russia have been hemorrhaging equipment and munitions. The pre-war stockpile was a mixture of ex-soviets stock and whatever Russia has built since then, it is fair to say that a large amount of newer equipment has been damaged or destroyed in the last 8 months, to the point that Russia is increasingly fielding older tanks to replenish losses.

This repeated rhetoric that Ukraine will eventually run out of manpower/equipment is countray to what's actually been happening. How can a depleted army repeatedly push Russia out of key strategic locations?
 

sheogorath

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Damage done to several of the gates of Kahovksa dam, allegedly done by Ukranian shelling


Would be great to get the crew survival rates of all T-72 used in the conflict.
T-72's are surivable as long as you don't cram ammo outside the caroussel. That said, T-72B at least have spall liners, the M's made by the other eastern countries don't.

Has Oryx pics of the claimed "abandon" equipment came out yet?
They are counting Russian tanks captured by Ukraine but lost during their offensive as Russian losses, so who knows how creative they will get.

Your analysis is right but the new situation makes the Russian Army in the rest of the Kherson Oblast in complete HIMARS/M270 range
Are pushing the HIMARS wunderwaffen narrative again?. Because it goes both way, in that HIMARS are now deeper in the envelope of the S400 and S350 around Crimea.

Will also make air support by whatever is left of the UAF more difficult.

Judging by some posters reactions, you'd think Zelensky is already taking over St. Petersburg. And you'd think people would have learned after the early Kharkiv, Kerch bridge and Kherson offensives celebrations that culminated in the Oct. 10 attacks and the AFU offensives completely stagnated, that war ebbs and flow.
 
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Phead128

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There are no photographic evidence of pontoon damage during withdrawal by long-range HIMARs, which suggests this is a mutually agreed upon negotiated withdrawal. (@SolarWarden pitch-black videos of artillery firing doesn't prove much without actual evidence of damaged pontoons or boats in river crossing).

I'd be happy to admit I was wrong if there is large-scale pontoon/boat damage in river-crossing during retreat, but the fact that Russia withdrew intact and Ukraine didn't bother to take advantage of their weakness to increase kill ratio suggests a mutually agreed negotiated withdrawal.
 

TK3600

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Urban warfare cannot be avoided whether on defense or offense. Retreating from Kherson just procrastinate such battle to another day. Russia will never grab Donbass if they behave as such.

If Russia cannot hold a city while having firepower advantage over open field, they sure as hell wont be taking any city.

Some people say retreating is for saving lives, my answer would be "to what extent?" Because such claim implies by retreating the problem will be solved when in reality it just push it to another day.

Will Russian retreat when Ukraine push for Crimea too? It is not that far off from Kherson.
 

Abominable

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How you came to this conslusion ?

The NATO conquered Ukrainan territory, but lost lot of man and machine.

Russia lost Ukrianan territory, but keept man and machine intact.

Who will protect Kiev if there is no more soldier left ?
Russia lost Russian territory, Kherson is officially Russian remember?

Are you familiar with Vietnam or Afghanistan? Killing your enemy in higher numbers means nothing if they can replace soldiers with more.
 

sheogorath

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Are you familiar with Vietnam or Afghanistan? Killing your enemy in higher numbers means nothing if they can replace soldiers with more.

At least Vietnam had more people and on average far younger in 1969 than Ukraine today. Ukraine its already on its 7th mobilization and the next one will most likely include women and older people; sure, more people for the meat grinder but an untenable population drain for the country and its economy in the long term on top of the destroyed infrastructure.

Ukraine from this point on, isn't a viable country anymore, regardless of how the war goes.
 
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