If so, why would they annex them to Russia a month ago?
The War in the Ukraine
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These gestures of goodwill will not stop until at least Ukraine manages to retake the LDNR and Crimea. There will come a point where they will be able to take it all back and even impose more conditions:
Demilitarization of Russia
denazification of Russia
Putin's removal from power
Territorial Division of Russia
Payments relating to compensation for the costs of Russia's war against Ukraine
And I'll tell you, it's not that far away. haha
Also, I highly doubt that Kherson and Zaporizhia are negotiable, Putin has formalized the annexation of all four Ukrainian regions, the problem is that this refers to the oblast and not just the cities themselves, but Russia has never 100% controlled the 3 of the 4 regions they annexed and now doesn't control the 4 regions fully. The western side of the Dnieper that contemplates these regions are beyond the effective range of Russian annexation, at least for the next 2 months and honestly, I don't see any impetus to achieve this result of total annexation of the 4 oblasts, probably just the LDNR, but Kherson and Zaporizhia I very much doubt it, they may not control 100% of these two regions, but they won't give in so easily either unless the agreement is highly beneficial to the Russian side and with binding formal guarantees from both Ukraine and NATO, because without these guarantees, Russia will have to invade Ukraine again on February 23, 2030 making the date February 23, 2014(Crimea's crisis), February 23, 2022 (I know it was the 24th, but here where I live it was still day 23) and February 23, 2030 a special date in the Russian calendar, just for an informality of the occasion, the ironic thing about this day is that it is my birthday.
The neutrality of Ukraine is out of question for the USA.
The whole war is about Ukraine right to station USA military assets on its soil.
We will see Russia in a federation with China prior of that.
If this agreement is really true, the crossing could be faster than imagined (1 week to 2 weeks), as many of the operational procedures for the crossing of the river could be eliminated, if then Russia is fully aware that the agreement is really a US-imposed guarantee not to attack the crossing points, which I don't believe and the Russians would be foolish to believe that.
Who would be screwed with this deal are the Ukrainians, where they could attack the fragile Russian army in retreat by crossing the river, but as treason has always been decriminalized in international relations, I have no doubt that the Ukrainians would have no option but to accept this agreement, but under the fruitful circumstances that they would have at least some success in attacking the Russian crossing points when it is still on the offensive and the Russians in retreat in one of the most difficult military operations, crossing rivers in retreat.
For those interested in military history, this is a replay of the events of August 19-25, 1941, with the only mention that the 11th Army (Wehrmacht) along with the 22nd Air Landing Division forces managed to maintain a beachhead at Kakhovka on August 30, 1941.
Broccoli
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So you are saying it's exactly what Russian would do?
They never cared about their own soldiers and if they think Crimea is lost cause...
Your comment makes no sense. If they didn't care about their own soldiers, why would they make the painful political decision to withdraw from kherson? Why not let their soldiers fight to the last man holding land like the Ukrainians did in mariupol?
Go ask him about the orderly withdrawal from Kharkiv as well but as usual. He will probably wrap some cloth around his eyes.
IDK if it is a goodwill gesture. The thing is Russia has a lot of heavy armor and equipment on the west side. There was some opinions/speculation that some sort of deal had to happen for Russia to smoothly move the equipment back to the east. We haven’t heard of any major Ukrainians pushes towards hitting them while they move east.
lol, they might have evacuated regular troops earlier but sent mobiks there to "slow down" Ukrainians and buy time. I don't even have to to add how ugly it will be for the fresh Russian "troops". Most likely it will look like what we've seen around Izyum in September but at least they will get artillery cover from the right bank of the river when they'll enter the area of ca. 10 km from Dnieper (at least around the ferry crossings I assume).
This speculation is taken from the Russian propaganda manuals, and thus they try to wash the image a little, that their retreat in Kherson is "negotiated" and not a resounding failure of their "special military operation"... Of course, that speculation has no basis, the same script of "good will" in kyiv or snake island....
No i say that if the dam is destroyed they loss water supply and it would be dumb for the russian to do it... and now it would be dumb for Ukraine too, losing Kherson when they are near getting it back and they need the electricity from it. So blowing the dam is just plain nonsense right now for both sides.
The best they could do is taking all east Ukraine using the Dnipro like a border. Will they achive it, i'm clearly not sure, lol !
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