The War in the Ukraine

I found a very interesting commentary from Kadyrov today on his telegram:

I fully support Yevgeny Viktorovich.
Dear Brat Prigozhin is a born warrior, his fighters are true professionals and patriots of Russia, fearless, tenacious, courageous. They are truly valuable combat units. That is why it is necessary to pay close attention, to listen, to draw conclusions from the evaluation of such people. They know exactly what is right and what is wrong in war.

As for Colonel General Lapin, I have been trying to get in touch with him over the last few days through my commanders of special units. But my guys can't find him. Shouldn't the commander be in his place and in touch with his colleagues? And all because I want to talk to him about the recent enemy breakthrough in the area of the line of defense of the settlements of Terny, Torskoye and Yampolovka, which was crossed without a fight by 5 APCs and 50 neo-Nazis and where Lapin was responsible. As a result, to help stop the enemy's advance in its area, it was decided to withdraw from the Rubizhne defense and move one reinforced battalion and one company.

For the whole day the forces moved there could not find Lapin's men. We had to hold our own defenses and then successfully advance. At the same time all these days Internet resources were talking about great feats of the Central Military District headed by Lapin, but nobody could even contact him. As a result, demoralized fighters, left by him without communication, food and ammunition, ended up in Rubizhne and Kremenna, from where they are still being fished out and returned to the front line, but already failed almost to the second line.

The story with the surrender of the Krasny Liman defense line is repeated. One and the same. And so far we have avoided a tragedy in this area only through the correct deployment of forces in the second line of defense. Now behind Lapin is the defense of Svatovo and Makiivka.

I am wondering: no one is interested in how Lapin got a star for taking Lisichansk, where he was not even there? No one is interested in how he managed to surrender Krasny Liman and why there was no inspection? No one cares how he managed to open a breach for the enemy and why there was no inspection again?
No one cares where he is now? No one cares who is covering him so well?

Something needs to be done about this before we lose guys and repulsed settlements. As Yevgeny Viktorovich correctly noted, we need tactical and personnel changes. Now, not tomorrow.

This is the information I have. If anyone thinks I'm wrong or has any other information, let them contact me.

Something tells me this Lapin may be "disappeared" in an awful way

LawLeadsToPeace said:

the T-62M is sufficient enough for tank on tank battles

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Then why did the Soviets develop T-64/72/80 if T-62 was sufficient?

abc123 said:

Maybe they during last 30 yearshave cannibalised the most of them to keep the operational ones running, so they can't use them now? It would make sense, considering how cash stripped Russia was during greater part of last 30 years...

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I don't think you have the slightest understanding of the logistics of maintaining an armored force. A tank in storage is not an armored tank waiting to be plucked, there are varying degrees of keeping an armored force in service as there are for armored units in reserve.

For example, let's hypothetically say that Russia's ground military leadership wants to have 80% of the T-80 tanks in reserve in useful working condition in 15 or 30 days, this means that the biggest cannibalization will be of the tanks that make up the remaining 20%, that is, the tanks that are not included in the percentage of 80% that are the tanks that are almost ready to use in the reserve, which means that in operational employment conditions, they are in better condition than the remaining 20%.

Obviously cannibalization happens from tanks in reserve to tanks in service, even those that are included in the hypothetical 80% can and should be cannibalized for the purpose of immediate maintenance of the active ground armored fleet, but as soon as the logistical unit demands from the superiors that need components for this cannibalized T-80 in order to get the reserve tank to near operational condition, this will have to be met to meet the goal. As Russia still maintains its defense industry this is not difficult to be attended to, I just won't be able to tell you how this is done in practice in Russia or how they do it with tanks in reserve, but that's how it's done in the big most countries, especially in the West.

In addition, my dear, any ground force maintains a reserve of supply of parts and repair sets, in order to meet the needs of the armored forces in service, the maintenance units maintain an adequate stock and sets of repair parts which constitute an organic reserve of the armored force, it will be up to the ground force maintenance units to manage and process the supply related to parts and repair kits, which would require a much lower demand for cannibalizing the tanks in reserve, don't you think?

Moreover, your reasoning is completely defective. If, according to you, armored units worked this way, there would be almost nothing left for replacement after 30 years, as there is always a preference for the direct exchange of the damaged material and parts for another in condition of use, as you it remains parts and components in good working order with several years in reserve? Unless the Russians do spells with their wands, this can only be done with proper maintenance.

There is another type of thinking, unless you consider that the Russians ignore this whole universal concept of military logistics and are a bunch of idiots who don't care in the slightest about the logistics of the ground force, you can be right, I'm sure some here will probably accept this narrative.

abc123 said:

Then why did the Soviets develop T-64/72/80 if T-62 was sufficient?

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I think you are really lost.

abc123 said:

Then why did the Soviets develop T-64/72/80 if T-62 was sufficient?

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Have you heard of context and relativity? The T-62M is sufficient when compared to the equipment fielded by the Ukrainians as of now. Until the Ukrainians mostly use PT91’s (they only received a handful based on what I know), Leopard 2’s, M1’s and etc, the T-62M can take on most of the tanks fielded by the Ukrainians.

abc123 said:

Then why did the Soviets develop T-64/72/80 if T-62 was sufficient?

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Now you are just strawmanning and arguing in bad faith by assuming he is talking about the T-62 in general a not in the context of this war.

As mentioned before, T-62 is sufficient against T-72M's, MRAPs and M113 in the context of the current Russo-Ukranian war. In the broader NATO v. Russia context, it wasn't, hence the T-72/T-80/T-90.

So, unless Ukraine starts fielding Leo 2 or M1's, T-62 should cover the gaps while more T-72's are brought back.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Until the Ukrainians mostly use PT91’s (t

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Base PT91 aren't much better than a T-72M, though

Video of several events around Kherson. I recomend it is watched on mute, too much BS

At the start, you can see a pair of abandoned MRAPs, captured Ukranian munition including mortar rounds, 125mm rounds. Then several clips of ukranian positions either getting shelled by artillery or having drones drop grenades on them. Also an abandoned BTR-70/BTR-60 and later on a video of technical getting hit while on the move

Kiev again with power rationing at night.

Sinnavuuty said:

There is another type of thinking, unless you consider that the Russians ignore this whole universal concept of military logistics and are a bunch of idiots who don't care in the slightest about the logistics of the ground force, you can be right, I'm sure some here will probably accept this narrative.

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Considering they had/have big problems in supplying their forces 100 km from their borders...

But, all that theory of yours is nice, excelent for some developed and well organised country, like say US, UK, France, Germany etc. NOT for Russia back in 90s. They were never known to be well organised, and 90s were definitly one of their darker periods.

abc123 said:

Considering they had/have big problems in supplying their forces 100 km from their borders...

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I agree. After all, which country can maintain a rate of fire of more than 50,000 daily for more than 6 months, it has to be very bad in logistics to maintain this rate, I would like to imagine if the logistics were good, what would they be? 100,000? Or maybe 200,000 daily?

abc123 said:

But, all that theory of yours is nice, excelent for some developed and well organised country, like say US, UK, France, Germany etc. NOT for Russia back in 90s. They were never known to be well organised, and 90s were definitly one of their darker periods.

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Did you see. You passed the test. But don't worry, you won't be alone in this narrative, soon the cavalry will arrive to help you.

As for well-organized countries, you are deluded. I can detail for you here the various logistical military problems of these countries that you mentioned from the Cold War to Trident Juncture 2018, but I think I will waste my time trying to convince you otherwise, and that this is not the appropriate topic for this.

Sinnavuuty said:

I agree. After all, which country can maintain a rate of fire of more than 50,000 daily for more than 6 months, it has to be very bad in logistics to maintain this rate, I would like to imagine if the logistics were good, what would they be? 100,000? Or maybe 200,000 daily?

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Just maybe if Russia had an air force like the one they like to show in airshows and displays they wouldn't need to use 50k rounds daily putting themselves in a vulnerable position like Ukraine has put them in by hitting their ammo depots.

Confirmation from Kadyrov:


Ukrainian soldiers surrender to Wagner:


A terrorist attack ordered by the Kiev regime, carried out with a car bomb in front of a building in Melitopol where local media and journalists work.