The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog

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Don't know, but it seems that the russian military has mostly slept over last 30-40 years of military development. If in AD 2022 they have no laser designators, laser guided shells/bombs, their aircrews use GARMIN GPS instead of GLONASS, they must buy attack drones from iran etc., then something is truly rotten in Russian military.
Laser, IR, active radar sensors used to be made in Ukraine. For example the sensors in the Krasnopol and the R-77 used to be made in Ukraine. Russia had to re-establish production of these in Russia after 2014 and it took quite a few years to make substitutes and achieve mass production. But as a result they were able to make these cheaper and for example R-77-1 finally entered service in the Russian Air Force a couple years ago where previously I think it only had been exported to places like India. As for GLONASS only in the late part of the 2000s did the satellite constellation get fully back up after massive lack on investment in the 1990s left it in a mostly broken down state. So what you are seeing is a reflection of that.

As for lack of long range loitering munitions or land attack missiles those are because of INF Treaty limitations. Not that it matters anymore since the US basically broke the treaty.

T-90M production really seems to be picking up steam now. T-90M is expected to become the backbone of Russian tank corps in the coming years, supplemented by T-14. This is akin to how Su-35 and Su-30 becomes the backbone of Russian fighter corps, supplemented by Su-57.
Given the huge attrition in tanks I doubt they will switch production to the T-14 any time soon to avoid production penalty by retooling. But personally I think they should switch the tank upgrade program to dedicated tank upgrade facilities and use the tank factories to build actual T-14 tanks instead of just doing upgrades.
 

Stealthflanker

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Laser, IR, active radar sensors used to be made in Ukraine. For example the sensors in the Krasnopol and the R-77 used to be made in Ukraine. Russia had to re-establish production of these in Russia after 2014

Not sure tho... well Laser was in Belarus i think for Krasnopol and Luch. R-77 was -assembled- in Ukraine but their seekers are made in Russia by Agat. You may notice that Ukraine does not produce any Active Radar Homing AAM's.

Infra red however does get made in Ukraine e.g Komar for R-60's, R-73 seeker, 36T Seeker and SARH seeker for R-27R's. But not much else. MM-2000 seeker for supposedly future short range AAM's were supposed to be Co-produced with Arsenal design bureau of Ukraine but guess that's one of 2014 victim or maybe earlier with Russian sentiment of "Not a single Ruble for Ukraine"
 

sheogorath

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Given the huge attrition in tanks I doubt they will switch production to the T-14 any time soon to avoid production penalty by retooling. But personally I think they should switch the tank upgrade program to dedicated tank upgrade facilities and use the tank factories to build actual T-14 tanks instead of just doing upgrades.
Looking at the few pictures of the T-14 line compared to that of the T-90M/T-72B3M, they seem to be completely different assembly lines so I doubt retooling is required.

UVZ in Nizhny Tagil is a pretty large facility.
 

Anlsvrthng

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GoPro footage of an AFU T-64BV tank being cornered by a Russian mechanized unit. The commander escaped once but twice. First a deflagration in the ammo box, then a shot hits the machine gun a few inches from his head.
Looks like the servos of the gun gone.

As it going backward the gun hanging free, most likelly it is not possible to reload it again. Or to target with it.


Most likelly the manufcaturer of it is in Russia, so no spare.
 

FriedButter

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First batch of completed T-14s aren’t even slated to enter the army until 2023 and around +40 will be in service after 2023 according to Russian MIC (Commission). They also said the new auto loader for the T-14 was suppose to complete their trials in 2022. Given the current circumstances, keeping those tank factories on upgrading tanks would be better than making T-14s due to the demand on equipment. No one has time to wait several months on the frontlines for some new shiny tanks.
 

gelgoog

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Media speculation on that long range Ukrainian Su-27 kill.

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Extreme Range Kill on Ukraine’s Top Fighter Was a Su-57, Not an Air Defence System - Reports​

October 21

Following reports that a Ukrainian Air Force Su-27 fighter and accompanying Su-24 strike fighter were shot down by Russian forces following a strike on Russia’s Belgorod region, conflicting reports from a number of Russian and Indian news outlets have indicated that a Russian Su-57 fighter was responsible. These have contradicted earlier reports that an S-300V4 air defence system using a 40N6 or possibly a 48N6DM surface to air missile was responsible. The Su-27 shootdown, although far from the first over Ukrainian skies, was particularly notable due to the 217km range at which it was achieved - making it by far the longest ranged fighter shootdown on record. The previous record for a surface to air shutdown was held by Russian S-400 systems based in Belarus, which shot down a Su-27 over Kiev in March at approximately 150km. Should the Su-57 have been responsible, however, it would mark a major milestone in the program and make the Russian fighter the very first in the world from the fifth generation to achieve a kill against an enemy fighter.
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As Ukrainian Su-27s were operating in Russian airspace, and were confirmed to be armed primarily with air to ground rocket pods, deploying Su-57s for interception could have been considered a low risk means of gaining an air to air kill for the new fighter class. The possibility that the Su-57s were accompanied by other more combat tested fighters such as Su-35s, in case the Ukrainian Air Force had any unexpected surprises or the new fighter failed, also remains significant. Although the Su-57’s primary air to air armament the R-77M missile has only a 200km engagement range, its oversized R-37M missile can engage targets up to 400km away - with this being the missile reportedly used to intercept the Ukrainian aircraft. Footage seemingly showing an R-37M over a Ukrainian city, taken by residents, provided some support to this claim. While other secretive long ranged air to air missiles with unknown designations have also reportedly been developed for the Su-57, none are thought to have a range sufficient to engage a manoeuvrable fighter like the Su-27 at over 200km.
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The Russian-Ukrainian War has presented multiple rare opportunities for Russian assets to gain kills and be tested in combat against relatively capable enemy fighters, with the S-400 and the Su-57’s predecessor the Su-35 both having gained their first air to air kills in March over Ukrainian skies. The Su-57 is not expected to be deployed similarly aggressively, but could see further defensive air to air operations within Russian airspace.


I will also add that a Russian Air Force pilot posted pictures on Telegram some days ago about the R-37M being in use in Ukraine on the Su-35.
 
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Stealthflanker

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Su-57 will use Izd-810 which can be carried internally. Not sure if it will use R-37M except maybe it's on external pylon or it's a kill from Su-35 instead.

And yeah S-300V4 does not use 48N6DM or 40N6... but instead 9M83, 9M83M, 9M82M and the 40N6 equivalent 9M82MD which have range of 350 Km.
 

sheogorath

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Su-57 will use Izd-810 which can be carried internally. Not sure if it will use R-37M except maybe it's on external pylon or it's a kill from Su-35 instead
I agree, it probably was a Su-35, not a Felon, and a Mig-31 makes even more sense but it doesnt even gets a mention anywhere.
 

TK3600

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Laser, IR, active radar sensors used to be made in Ukraine. For example the sensors in the Krasnopol and the R-77 used to be made in Ukraine. Russia had to re-establish production of these in Russia after 2014 and it took quite a few years to make substitutes and achieve mass production. But as a result they were able to make these cheaper and for example R-77-1 finally entered service in the Russian Air Force a couple years ago where previously I think it only had been exported to places like India. As for GLONASS only in the late part of the 2000s did the satellite constellation get fully back up after massive lack on investment in the 1990s left it in a mostly broken down state. So what you are seeing is a reflection of that.

As for lack of long range loitering munitions or land attack missiles those are because of INF Treaty limitations. Not that it matters anymore since the US basically broke the treaty.


Given the huge attrition in tanks I doubt they will switch production to the T-14 any time soon to avoid production penalty by retooling. But personally I think they should switch the tank upgrade program to dedicated tank upgrade facilities and use the tank factories to build actual T-14 tanks instead of just doing upgrades.
You think this is Hearts of Iron? The T14 factory was made before war. It is simply unsuitable for nature of the war.
 
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