The War in the Ukraine

solarz said:

The point is that, as I have already pointed out:

1. Secured land access to Crimea.
2. Created a buffer zone.
3. Cut off Ukrainian access to the sea of Azov

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1. achieved on of invasion
2. achieved on of invasion
3. achieved on of invasion

So why are you satisfied on progress over 8 months ago? We expect more since then.

TongHua said:

NATO = America. There is no NATO without America just like there is not Warsaw Pact without USSR. America and China can negotiate considering Ukraine and Russia are their client states.

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China do not control Russian foreign policy unlike US and Ukraine.

tankphobia said:

If Putin thinks that the greatest tragedy of his time is the fall of the Soviet union, no amount of "safe space" and "buffer zone" is going to satisfy him until he has the entire Warsaw pact under Russia's heel. Economics is how people live and prosper, I don't see how it's any less important than security concerns.

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You clearly do not understand what he was talking about when he made that statement. And it does not take a genius to look at the demographic statistics of the Soviet Union after the collapse, statistics for things like unemployment, death rate, and life expectancy, or alcoholism to realize the Soviet collapse was worse in demographic terms than the Russian Civil War.

With regards to NATO enlargement, he said as much in the Munich Security Conference in 2007, that either NATO kept to the principles of the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, or that Russia would have to rearm itself. NATO had plenty of time to do a deal to reduce the amount of conventional forces in Europe. Instead they publicly announced the intent for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO. The Russians have said since the US announced they would be accepting the Baltics into NATO that accepting ex-USSR republics into NATO was a red line. The US did not listen.

Intrepid said:

NATO cannot negotiate with Russia over Ukraine. Ukraine must negotiate with Russia itself.

NATO can give guarantees to Ukraine, but I don't think NATO is the right organization for that. A confederation of states would have to do this independently of NATO.

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L M A O. Ukraine tried to negotiate with Russia on day 1. Guess who stopped the negotiations? Do you still really think that Ukrainians are in charge of the Ukraine?

Intrepid said:

NATO can give guarantees to Ukraine, but I don't think NATO is the right organization for that. A confederation of states would have to do this independently of NATO.

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This organization exists and is called OSCE - Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.

gelgoog said:

With regards to NATO enlargement, he said as much in the Munich Security Conference in 2007, that either NATO kept to the principles of the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, or that Russia would have to rearm itself. NATO had plenty of time to do a deal to reduce the amount of conventional forces in Europe. Instead they publicly announced the intent for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO. The Russians have said since the US announced they would be accepting the Baltics into NATO that accepting ex-USSR republics into NATO was a red line. The US did not listen.

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Excellent point of view. I would like to suggest this link for additional and complementary information:

gelgoog said:

NATO had plenty of time to do a deal to reduce the amount of conventional forces in Europe. Instead they publicly announced the intent for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO.

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Which Georgia took as a green light to bomb the Russians in Ossetia, which to this day some people insist it was started by Russia.

So, the claims a train went over the railroad were premature.

anzha said:

So, the claims a train went over the railroad were premature.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579055455430582277

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There are two rail lines on the bridge and all Russian sources indicated that this was a test train.

kokole said:

There are two rail lines on the bridge and all Russian sources indicated that this was a test train.

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Interesting that they ran the test train on the other rail already.

Phead128 said:

1. achieved on

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2. achieved on

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3. achieved on

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of invasion

So why are you satisfied on progress over 8 months ago? We expect more since then.

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What is this need to be satisfied? Why does Russia need to meet your expectations?

That the Russians were able to achieve these gains early on only shows they're initial push was quite successful despite all claims to the contrary.

The idea that just because Russia was able to achieve rapid gains early on that they must continue to achieve more gains or else they are deemed failures is completely nonsensical.