The War in the Ukraine

Pmichael

Junior Member
Unless Ukraine starts receving M1 and Leo2, unlikely. They will keep receiving TOWs, the eventual HIMARS and eventually maybe Leo1 as Europe runs out of everything

That this offensive on Kharkov relied on technicals should tell you that.
The fact that the Kharkov offensive was so successful despite several types of equipment still aren’t on the table is telling me a lot indeed.
 

memfisa

Junior Member
Registered Member
I noticed no ones talking about Belbek getting wrecked by atacams.

What happend?

Did some piece of information come forth after some provocative and contextless photo that I'm not aware of
 

Pmichael

Junior Member
If you wilfully ignore that the rest of the frontline is about 1200km long and the Ukraines haven't achieved much everywhere else at the expense of massive losses, sure.
So your problem is that Ukraine isn’t successful enough?
Why do I think you didn’t have that problem when Russian achievements were a few kilometers a month.

massive losses is also kinda baseless
 

Sheleah

Junior Member
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I noticed no ones talking about Belbek getting wrecked by atacams.

What happend?

Did some piece of information come forth after some provocative and contextless photo that I'm not aware of

It seems that it was another loss of Russian fighter planes, there is talk of an accident during the landing of an unidentified aircraft... There were explosions subsequent to the accident, so it is assumed that it was a fighter or transport plane with ammunition...

 

Chilled_k6

Junior Member
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Found this map of force deployments around Liman before it's capture.

Ukraine had the absolute advantage in quantity and quality in this battle. 80th, 81st, 79th, 95th Brigades are their elite mechanized troops (Air Assault brigades).

I read the reinforcement troops that arrived to plug the gap while they retreated was something like 4 BTGs worth, I think Russia is going to need to bring a lot more to stop this concentration here. Ukraine looks to be in good position to push the attack on Kremina next.

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sheogorath

Major
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So your problem is that Ukraine isn’t successful enough?

They aren't sucessful enough for all the hype and theories you all are pulling. Same thing happened when the Russians pulled out of Kiev and people were acting like the Ukranians were outside the outskirts of Moscow.

So it isn't the first time.

Why do I think you didn’t have that problem when Russian achievements were a few kilometers a month.
I did, actually and I have criticized them for taking forever but thats the tactic they chose, exchanging time over preserving soldiers and equipment.

Ukraine is pulling a fast one like the Russians did at the start, take as much ground as possible as fast enough without minding who gets killed on the way there

massive losses is also kinda baseless
I guess those videos of Ukranian armored charges getting obliterated in the south or the article talking how they get hammered by the air force, helicopters and artillery day in and day out in the north are baseless, yeah?.


Image of a Krab 155mm whose barrel couldn't keep up with the demands of the actual war

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Pmichael

Junior Member
Yeah, I have seen that Russian copium which indeed included stuff like ASB nonsense which are basically just Russia is successful winning battles while the places of the battles getting closer and closer to the Russian boarders.
 

baykalov

Senior Member
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I follow a pro-Ukrainian Telegram channel and now I come across a video from the abandoned Lyman. But the comment to the video puzzles me, and I quote with automatic translation:

President Zelensky treats Ukrainians like idiots, posting videos of damaged vehicles and dead soldiers as if they were Russians.
But they didn't even bother to remove the blue tape from the corpses lying on the road, indicating that the dead were on the Ukrainian side. The destroyed equipment was also of the Ukrainian armed forces and they had no time to mark it. It is immediately clear that this equipment came from the reserve, that is, as soon as it reached Ukraine from Poland, it was immediately sent to the front.

Yes, everyone understands that the losses of the armed forces of Ukraine are enormous, but no one is talking about this while we are achieving victories.


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plawolf

Lieutenant General
"Didn’t we have enough Raisins? Even back then I said: fire at the enemy’s military accumulation in Izyum, captured by the fascists, especially since our artillery had such an opportunity at that time."

Razman Kadyrov.

If the Russians indeed did possess the artillery pieces in location to rain down on Izium following their retreat from it, when the Ukrainians were accumulating and consolidating there, and the Russians did not do so, it is thoroughly baffling. Anyway, with Kadyrov, he does have a tendency to exaggerate things, though he mostly eventually turns out to be right.

If the Russians had artillery in range to hit massed Ukrainian forces as they entered Izyum, the only reason to explain why they didn’t fire is the presence of civilians.

Simple inaction from high command would not lead to such obvious inaction by frontline forces, as I’m sure there would have been a whole line of field officers screaming down their radios to rain hell down on the enemy and cover their own retreat. It probably took intervention from senior officers to countermand those field orders for the artillery to remain silent.

Despite the relentless western propaganda, it has been the Russians who have consistently gone out of their way to limit civilian casualties as much as possible, even when doing so costs Russian soldiers’ lives.
 
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