The War in the Ukraine

Suetham

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DPR signaled the taking of Pisky and that troops are now entrenched in the city:
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Ukrainians recognize the death of a battalion commander of the 36th Brigade on the 28th. Between that day, the Inhulets transposition in Kherson took place and this Brigade would have participated in it. If the Commander died during the confrontation or by artillery, then it is possible that a good part or almost all of this battalion was decimated:
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sheogorath

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He then says that Russians driving the aforementioned tanks [T80U and T90M] would be equivalent to British forces driving in the Vickers Mark III, a tank from the 1960s.

Is he telling me that a T80U, a tank from the 1980s, is as outdated as a Vickers Mark III? A T90M from the 21st century is a Vickers Mark III? Even a stock, vanilla T-72B from 1985 is not a Vickers Mark III.

If T80U, T90M, T72B are conceptually outdated tanks from the 1960s, then what are the Leopard 2A4, 2A5 that make up so much of NATO's front-line inventory? The most recent T-90s are heavier and newer designs than the T-72, so I don't see how they are conceptually behind M1 Abrams or Challenger 2.


This just tells you the guy's knowledge comes from reddit, and the wrong redditors at that. A T-80U is still more modern than a Leo2A4, let alone a T-73B3M or a T-80BVM. And a T-90M has better thermals than a M1A2, for one.
 

Yommie

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The US sent another 75 thousand 155 mm shells to Kiev army. Cost is 550 million dollars. Assuming the US had a few million 155 mm shells out of 330 million people, the US is expected to run out of 155 mm shells before the end of next year. Rob Lee also assumes every shell delivered is fired, when in fact only some are fired with the rest destroyed or captured.

 

Surpluswarrior

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This just tells you the guy's knowledge comes from reddit, and the wrong redditors at that. A T-80U is still more modern than a Leo2A4, let alone a T-73B3M or a T-80BVM. And a T-90M has better thermals than a M1A2, for one.

One thing that gets me about these kind of commentators in general is that they adhere to this "old Soviet equipment meme." So yes, Russian armed forces are largely using Soviet-era armour, APCs, arty, etc... and upgraded variants.

What are they facing against?

The bulk of NATO forces is also Cold War-era designs and upgrades thereof. M1A2, Leopard 2, M109, Bradley, etc...

So Russia gets criticized for having so much 1980s equipment, yet that is also a large part of NATO land forces.

Where is the NATO tank that is a generation beyond T-90MS? Or even T-72B3M?

In fact, what NATO tank is T-90MS not a match for? What NATO tank cannot be defeated by a competent T-72B3?


They want to have their cake and eat it to: Russian army is full of "old Soviet equipment," but NATO Cold War-era equipment + designs making up the bulk of forces is not a problem.

We already know what it would look like if Russia deployed tanks as old as the 1970s-upgraded Vickers Mark III: it's called the T-62M. They are giving it to second-line units, a demonstrably-older design than T-72/T-80/T-90.

And LazerPig is using U.K. reserves as an example, saying that they have newer equipment. Okay, genius, how many tanks does U.K. have in total? How long before Ukraine would lose the equivalent of entire British tank force? They've already lost more men than the entire U.K. ground force.
 

Stealthflanker

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That Window strike seems a part where the speech is not compatible with the image. Unless they said rockets of the system not the full vehicle then it might be legit. The video may come from other target strike.
 
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