If they do that they lose western arms and ammo support. These days with internet you cannot hide war crimes like that. It is not something they can afford to do.
The War in the Ukraine
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If they do that they lose western arms and ammo support. These days with internet you cannot hide war crimes like that. It is not something they can afford to do.
Knowing Ukraine they could just say Russia shelled it's own ferry, and all the idiots would believe it
Ukraine commited war crimes against its own people for 8 years. Has the West said anything?
The first ship with Ukrainian grain left Odessa. The first cargo ship Razoni loaded with grain under the flag of Sierra Leone left the port of Odessa on Monday. It became the first ship with Ukrainian food that went to sea in accordance with the agreements reached in Istanbul. According to reports, the ship is heading to Lebanon.
The Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled guns delivered earlier from Germany to the Ukrainian army are starting to break down, the German Spiegel news agency reported. Also, the Ukrainian army is already reporting this, as shown in the video. This is due to the fact that the Ukrainian military are firing from these guns literally many times more intensively than it is provided for by the technical regulations of 10 rounds per minute. One of the Ukrainian servicemen from the calculation of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 stated that the howitzer fired up to 300 rounds of ammunition per day. The guns do not withstand such operation, the loading mechanisms and barrels of German self-propelled guns wear out rapidly.
The Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled guns delivered earlier from Germany to the Ukrainian army are starting to break down, the German Spiegel news agency reported. Also, the Ukrainian army is already reporting this, as shown in the video. This is due to the fact that the Ukrainian military are firing from these guns literally many times more intensively than it is provided for by the technical regulations of 10 rounds per minute. One of the Ukrainian servicemen from the calculation of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 stated that the howitzer fired up to 300 rounds of ammunition per day. The guns do not withstand such operation, the loading mechanisms and barrels of German self-propelled guns wear out rapidly.
If they hit Kherson civilians deliberately they can kiss Kherson goodbye forever. The civilians there will take up arms and fight Kiev army tooth and nail. They already seen that in Donbas. Do they want to see that in Kherson?
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Replacing 10 sturdy artillery pieces or more with one nice piece of engineering and trying to do the same damage... no wonder they are breaking down.
No it was not. It has been churning tankers and bulk carriers for the likes of Finland and France
A LazerPig "rant" about a Gonzalo Lira panel
Today on Youtube, I noticed a video from "LazerPig," a Youtube-based military commentator. In it, he is able to take on his pet peeve of these "Gonzalo Lira" roundtables on Ukraine, and focuses on a particular episode:
Now, I would say that there are some easy targets in these videos. Some individuals are too willing to push unverified claims, or exaggerate their own expertise. [I think it speaks to a larger problem with Youtube-based military commentary in the first place, on all sides].
However, I found the Razorpig video irritating. He sometimes puts words in people's mouths, does not consider all aspects of an argument, or just pushes his own unverified claims.
Despite it being a 'rant,' it is 1 hour, 20 minutes long, and LazerPig put forward a great deal of [often unverified, unsupported] claims and evidence.
Here are some things that annoyed me:
1. Some panelists emphasize the importance of artillery to this conflict. LazerPig 'counters' that just because artillery is vital to this war, that doesn't mean aircraft are not important.
-But who was saying that aircraft are unimportant?
2. LazerPig says that the incompetence of the Russian Air Force is one reason why artillery is so important to this war.
-He doesn't address the fact that Ukraine employs air defences more powerful than any U.S. opponent. RuAf has to be timid and careful, compared with aircraft flying over Iraq or Afghanistan.
-Overall, he skirts the issue of why artillery is important to this conflict: air defenses [so limited in NATO countries] reduce the effectiveness of Russian airpower. And Ukraine has practically no air force to speak of. [Another issue that he skirts].
3. WRT "HistoryLegends" channel, LazerPig complains that host Alex vastly overestimated the cost of a HIMARS unit. I did see that video the day it broadcast, and I believe Alex had posted a correction in the video. If not, certainly, his audience began correcting him immediately in the comments. These gaffes are unfortunately somewhat common from people who put out daily videos.
LazerPig also complains that Alex uses high casualty estimates for Ukraine forces, such as 1,000 per day. When the "reality," even admitted by RT, is more like 100 per day.
-My understanding of reality is that Ukraine's president admitted that Ukraine was taking 2-500 casualties per day, and the Ukraine sources have admitted losses of 1,000 troops on certain days. To characterize Ukraine casualties at ~100 per day is lower that what we have heard several times from Ukraine sources themselves.
Then, there is a bunch of salt about Russia from Lazerpig. He makes a number of unverified claims about how Russian-allied forces are running out of medicine, ammunition, food etc... What makes him better than the channel he is criticizing if he just repeats propaganda?
He also completely fails to understand the language issue in Ukraine that is motivating the separatist militias. They want to preserve their language, heritage, history. They aren't seeking independence for independence sake.
Circa 30 minutes in, Alex recounts that many foreign volunteers/mercenaries to Ukraine have stated that they feel like underdogs, as opposed to Middle Eastern wars.
Lazerpig disagrees with this, citing articles of his own. But I have read actual articles in the Western press [coinciding, for example, with the initial hypersonic strike on the mercenary training centre near Lviv] where Western volunteers said precisely that: that they did not expect such 'aggression' from Russians [according to one Redditor volunteer], that it was a novel experience to be fired upon by helicopters, causing a desire to vacate the conflict, that mechanized warfare was more intense and dangerous than what they had expected or experienced prior. This is from volunteer accounts in Western media.
Granted, 'green' volunteers to the conflict expressed greater surprise and dismay than more veteran volunteers, but I have read Western accounts of "veteran operators" who were surprised by the ferocity and character of this war. And it's definitely the case that numerous "Call of Duty" warriors did try to cut and run upon learning the reality of the war, something LazerPig downplays.
He's talking tanks and aircraft at about 34 minutes in. In criticizing Russian military modernization, he infers that the T-90M is conceptually obsolete, calling it an upgraded version of an older Soviet vehicle. [That's like saying that Leopard 2A6 is conceptually obsolete, an upgraded Cold War vehicle.]
He also says that T90M and T80U require Western components for their upgrades, which is dubious. And I'm not sure what he means by 'relying on upgraded T80U.' It's the T80BVM that received serious upgrades, with Western-derived components. T80U is notorious for not having received such comprehensive updates, I thought.
He further alleges that ERA and dazzlers are ineffective ["outdated decades ago"], which is far from proven. The 'cope cages' are an easier target. But he is arguing that ERA and tanks like T90M are ineffective at resisting NATO anti-tank weapons: where is his information and analysis supporting that conclusion?
He also complains that 55 SU-75 are supposed to be in service by now [August, 2022], although I can't recall hearing such claims from the Russian side.
He then says that Russians driving the aforementioned tanks [T80U and T90M] would be equivalent to British forces driving in the Vickers Mark III, a tank from the 1960s.
Is he telling me that a T80U, a tank from the 1980s, is as outdated as a Vickers Mark III? A T90M from the 21st century is a Vickers Mark III? Even a stock, vanilla T-72B from 1985 is not a Vickers Mark III.
If T80U, T90M, T72B are conceptually outdated tanks from the 1960s, then what are the Leopard 2A4, 2A5 that make up so much of NATO's front-line inventory? The most recent T-90s are heavier and newer designs than the T-72, so I don't see how they are conceptually behind M1 Abrams or Challenger 2.
Then, there are a bunch of unverified claims about Russian losses, where I don't understand how this makes him better than the people he is criticizing.
Anyway, I got a little frustrated after the tank and SU-75 discussion, so I've largely stopped watching.
By following LazerPig, you wouldn't know that Western media and "experts" gave the impression that Russia was running out of food, ammo, supplies, fuel, and morale for months now, that they were supposed to have run out of missiles several months back, they think that Ukraine has been making all sorts of successful counterattacks instead of often being repelled with heavy losses.
It seems to me that if you listened to these flawed Gonzalo Lira panels, you'd might still be better informed that if you opened a newspaper or turned on the TV. But LazerPig is reinforcing the narrative by attacking these guys, and not the abysmal official reporting on the Western side. Why isn't LazerPig criticizing them?
By making his criticism of these guys a "drunken rant," he absolves himself of having to provide supporting evidence for a lot of his claims. He gets to hide behind "it's just a rant." But he is pushing unverified claims under those sunglasses.
Today on Youtube, I noticed a video from "LazerPig," a Youtube-based military commentator. In it, he is able to take on his pet peeve of these "Gonzalo Lira" roundtables on Ukraine, and focuses on a particular episode:
The Gonzalo Lira Roundtable do not know what they are talking about
Now, I would say that there are some easy targets in these videos. Some individuals are too willing to push unverified claims, or exaggerate their own expertise. [I think it speaks to a larger problem with Youtube-based military commentary in the first place, on all sides].
However, I found the Razorpig video irritating. He sometimes puts words in people's mouths, does not consider all aspects of an argument, or just pushes his own unverified claims.
Despite it being a 'rant,' it is 1 hour, 20 minutes long, and LazerPig put forward a great deal of [often unverified, unsupported] claims and evidence.
Here are some things that annoyed me:
1. Some panelists emphasize the importance of artillery to this conflict. LazerPig 'counters' that just because artillery is vital to this war, that doesn't mean aircraft are not important.
-But who was saying that aircraft are unimportant?
2. LazerPig says that the incompetence of the Russian Air Force is one reason why artillery is so important to this war.
-He doesn't address the fact that Ukraine employs air defences more powerful than any U.S. opponent. RuAf has to be timid and careful, compared with aircraft flying over Iraq or Afghanistan.
-Overall, he skirts the issue of why artillery is important to this conflict: air defenses [so limited in NATO countries] reduce the effectiveness of Russian airpower. And Ukraine has practically no air force to speak of. [Another issue that he skirts].
3. WRT "HistoryLegends" channel, LazerPig complains that host Alex vastly overestimated the cost of a HIMARS unit. I did see that video the day it broadcast, and I believe Alex had posted a correction in the video. If not, certainly, his audience began correcting him immediately in the comments. These gaffes are unfortunately somewhat common from people who put out daily videos.
LazerPig also complains that Alex uses high casualty estimates for Ukraine forces, such as 1,000 per day. When the "reality," even admitted by RT, is more like 100 per day.
-My understanding of reality is that Ukraine's president admitted that Ukraine was taking 2-500 casualties per day, and the Ukraine sources have admitted losses of 1,000 troops on certain days. To characterize Ukraine casualties at ~100 per day is lower that what we have heard several times from Ukraine sources themselves.
Then, there is a bunch of salt about Russia from Lazerpig. He makes a number of unverified claims about how Russian-allied forces are running out of medicine, ammunition, food etc... What makes him better than the channel he is criticizing if he just repeats propaganda?
He also completely fails to understand the language issue in Ukraine that is motivating the separatist militias. They want to preserve their language, heritage, history. They aren't seeking independence for independence sake.
Circa 30 minutes in, Alex recounts that many foreign volunteers/mercenaries to Ukraine have stated that they feel like underdogs, as opposed to Middle Eastern wars.
Lazerpig disagrees with this, citing articles of his own. But I have read actual articles in the Western press [coinciding, for example, with the initial hypersonic strike on the mercenary training centre near Lviv] where Western volunteers said precisely that: that they did not expect such 'aggression' from Russians [according to one Redditor volunteer], that it was a novel experience to be fired upon by helicopters, causing a desire to vacate the conflict, that mechanized warfare was more intense and dangerous than what they had expected or experienced prior. This is from volunteer accounts in Western media.
Granted, 'green' volunteers to the conflict expressed greater surprise and dismay than more veteran volunteers, but I have read Western accounts of "veteran operators" who were surprised by the ferocity and character of this war. And it's definitely the case that numerous "Call of Duty" warriors did try to cut and run upon learning the reality of the war, something LazerPig downplays.
He's talking tanks and aircraft at about 34 minutes in. In criticizing Russian military modernization, he infers that the T-90M is conceptually obsolete, calling it an upgraded version of an older Soviet vehicle. [That's like saying that Leopard 2A6 is conceptually obsolete, an upgraded Cold War vehicle.]
He also says that T90M and T80U require Western components for their upgrades, which is dubious. And I'm not sure what he means by 'relying on upgraded T80U.' It's the T80BVM that received serious upgrades, with Western-derived components. T80U is notorious for not having received such comprehensive updates, I thought.
He further alleges that ERA and dazzlers are ineffective ["outdated decades ago"], which is far from proven. The 'cope cages' are an easier target. But he is arguing that ERA and tanks like T90M are ineffective at resisting NATO anti-tank weapons: where is his information and analysis supporting that conclusion?
He also complains that 55 SU-75 are supposed to be in service by now [August, 2022], although I can't recall hearing such claims from the Russian side.
He then says that Russians driving the aforementioned tanks [T80U and T90M] would be equivalent to British forces driving in the Vickers Mark III, a tank from the 1960s.
Is he telling me that a T80U, a tank from the 1980s, is as outdated as a Vickers Mark III? A T90M from the 21st century is a Vickers Mark III? Even a stock, vanilla T-72B from 1985 is not a Vickers Mark III.
If T80U, T90M, T72B are conceptually outdated tanks from the 1960s, then what are the Leopard 2A4, 2A5 that make up so much of NATO's front-line inventory? The most recent T-90s are heavier and newer designs than the T-72, so I don't see how they are conceptually behind M1 Abrams or Challenger 2.
Then, there are a bunch of unverified claims about Russian losses, where I don't understand how this makes him better than the people he is criticizing.
Anyway, I got a little frustrated after the tank and SU-75 discussion, so I've largely stopped watching.
By following LazerPig, you wouldn't know that Western media and "experts" gave the impression that Russia was running out of food, ammo, supplies, fuel, and morale for months now, that they were supposed to have run out of missiles several months back, they think that Ukraine has been making all sorts of successful counterattacks instead of often being repelled with heavy losses.
It seems to me that if you listened to these flawed Gonzalo Lira panels, you'd might still be better informed that if you opened a newspaper or turned on the TV. But LazerPig is reinforcing the narrative by attacking these guys, and not the abysmal official reporting on the Western side. Why isn't LazerPig criticizing them?
By making his criticism of these guys a "drunken rant," he absolves himself of having to provide supporting evidence for a lot of his claims. He gets to hide behind "it's just a rant." But he is pushing unverified claims under those sunglasses.
If Zelensky is to be trusted, Ukraine at some days have sustained firing 5000 shells in a single day, which is on par with what the invading western army in the Iraq war was shooting. And Russia is shooting back with 2 to 3 times as many shells.
Ukraine inherited maybe 20-30% of the USSR's equipment, and its a large country to begin with. Even if Ukraine was corrupt and neglected the industries for decades, the USSR army was one of the strongest in the world. NATO acknowledged during the 80s that tactical nukes or even MAD is their only choice if the USSR came at them full force.
The Russian airforce is undersized and lacks the industrial capacity to rapidly produce more fighters/bombers, unlike say China or USA would be able to do as long as they have raw materials. But even a larger, stronger air force, wouldn't necessarily do well against the Ukraine army, which operates using Soviet doctrines that had extensive counters towards air power. So, it fell to artillery to carry out precision strikes for both sides.
Ukraine inherited maybe 20-30% of the USSR's equipment, and its a large country to begin with. Even if Ukraine was corrupt and neglected the industries for decades, the USSR army was one of the strongest in the world. NATO acknowledged during the 80s that tactical nukes or even MAD is their only choice if the USSR came at them full force.
The Russian airforce is undersized and lacks the industrial capacity to rapidly produce more fighters/bombers, unlike say China or USA would be able to do as long as they have raw materials. But even a larger, stronger air force, wouldn't necessarily do well against the Ukraine army, which operates using Soviet doctrines that had extensive counters towards air power. So, it fell to artillery to carry out precision strikes for both sides.
During the early hours of Saturday, no less than 50 explosions were reported in Mykolaiv. I don't know if that considers primary and secondary explosions, but it was still hammered to the core during the early hours of Saturday. As we were mentioning, both Mykolaiv and Odessa are being hammered between two to three times a day, as is Kharkiv. One of the Ukrainian oligarchs died as a result of the bombing, according to local sources it would be the Vadatursky, others say it was parts or an S-300 missile from the city's anti-aircraft defense that fell on his house.
In Soledar, operations are taking place in the Southeast direction of the city in two axes of attack:
Pro-Ukraine sources say the Russians are directly attacking the city of Bakhmut, completely breaching the defenses around the city, especially after the fall of Pokrovske. It's not known what the directions are, but I imagine it's East and South.
The Russians are starting an offensive towards the west of Donetsk. Apparently, the Russians are advancing in these axes:
This is likely to be done to surround Avdeevka's defenses, which are the strongest in all of Ukraine. Pisky is already under assault by the Russians, conquering some neighborhoods and villages around Donetsk.
In Soledar, operations are taking place in the Southeast direction of the city in two axes of attack:
Pro-Ukraine sources say the Russians are directly attacking the city of Bakhmut, completely breaching the defenses around the city, especially after the fall of Pokrovske. It's not known what the directions are, but I imagine it's East and South.
The Russians are starting an offensive towards the west of Donetsk. Apparently, the Russians are advancing in these axes:
This is likely to be done to surround Avdeevka's defenses, which are the strongest in all of Ukraine. Pisky is already under assault by the Russians, conquering some neighborhoods and villages around Donetsk.