The War in the Ukraine

Yommie

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Well the relevant point here: The Russians haven't taken out the roads and airports connecting Ukraine to the West. Either they won't or they can't.

Or they judge that there are Ukrainian draft dodgers using these roads?

Americans are far more brutal than Russians. In Syria they wrecked the bridges across the Euphrates using precision munitions. They did that in Vietnam too. Russia did not touch the dams on Dnipr which allows NATO combat vehicles to reach eastern Ukraine from western Ukraine.
 

BoraTas

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With the losses caused by Precision rocket artillery, could Russia possibility use their AWACs fleet to aid in detecting, identifying and destroying incoming HIMARS shells? One would assume that a GPS guided shell will have a very different flight path compared to a unguided rocket...
C-RAM has always been a very hard task for several reasons.
1- Artillery projectiles have relatively low flight times but are usually supersonic. Quick reaction times and fast SAMs are needed. C-RAM task is more similar to ABM rather than traditional air defense.
2- Artillery projectiles are relatively cheap and small. Thus they are very common on the battlefield and are usually launched in large numbers. So you need relatively cheap and small (important for magazine depth and logistics) SAMs. Your radars need to be capable of detecting small objects from long distances and tracking many of them simultaneously. And the system needs to be able to engage many targets simultaneously.
3- High speeds, small interceptor missiles and small targets collectively mean high-resolution sensors are needed. This further complicates the missile and radar design

So the task is pretty specialized as you can see. I don't think you will get an effective C-RAM out of improvised solutions. Russia is probably intercepting a lot of rockets but a lot of them will continue to go through. And GPS guided rockets don't have a different flight trajectory at all unless they do a pull-up maneuver. They use GPS to correct deviations.
 

memfisa

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I'm sincerely curious what all the hype about HIMARS is? The system (the truck mounted one especially) is extremely unimpressive to me

Ukraine had thousands of more capable Soviet era launchers BM-27, BM-29, BM-30, and lost the vast majority of them already. There is nothing special about the US version the Ukrainians have. They didn't win the war with those launchers they have been using prior

There is nothing about it that is going to change any game. Why do they always have to resort to these silly statements in the media? Just doesnt make much sense to me, beyond some really dark marketing campaign using Ukrainian lives as cannon fodders to sell US weapons abroad.
 

BoraTas

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Well the relevant point here: The Russians haven't taken out the roads and airports connecting Ukraine to the West. Either they won't or they can't.

Or they judge that there are Ukrainian draft dodgers using these roads?
Disabling infrastructure and keeping it disabled is hard on a national scale. It requires a lot of payload over a long time period. Especially if the other side has a functioning air defense system and you are not willing to suffer casualities you can assume that enemy infrastructure will continue to function. And as you said there are also political repercussions for bombing civilian infrastructure.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Now that HIMARS are online it can be seen from the last few days of images that the Russians are in trouble. It has changed the course of the war just as I said it would and as some people mocked me for. The fear is that the HIMARS are basically as good as the Russian MLRS but have greater accuracy due to being fed from Western satellites.
What trouble? Russia hasn't even used its large weapons yet. What's Ukraine gonna do when FAOBs rain down? The course of the war is still the same: Russia cannot be beaten. As I said before, the best that the West can do is push Russia to hit Ukraine harder and cause more casualties. As Putin said, "Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven't even yet started anything in earnest."
In that case Russia is screwed and might have to surrender and withdraw from Ukraine, ending the war with a loss of territory since they once held Crimea and parts of Donbas before this.
So what if they don't surrender and end up keeping parts of Ukraine or all of it? In America, politicians are expected to speak nothing but lies; being proven wrong is no humiliation, worth only a shoulder shrug. In China, a politician proven wrong is at the end of his career. So are you just gonna be Gordon Chang and keep saying wrong things or are you gonna take responsibility and stop talking after proven wrong?
 

Suetham

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I assume quite many from the leftover of USSR missile storages tho number wise it would be quite hard to guess but i assume around low thousand figure
Something around 150 Tochka-U in storage in Russia is a good indicator. When the USSR fell, the USSR had about 250-300 launchers, 90 went to Ukraine, a few to Belarus and small units to other USSR countries. If Ukraine with 90 launchers has somewhere around 500 Scarab missiles, Russia must have around +850 missiles in stock.
 
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